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Where We Stand, Where We Fall The politics of Doctor Who
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Where We Stand, Where We Fall The politics of Doctor Who by Lizbeth Myles
‘A brilliant take on the history of Doctor Who’
~ Sophie Aldred, Ace in Doctor Who
‘The definitive work on the subject … I adored it’
~ Paul Cornell, writer of Doctor Who, Saucer County, and Witches of Lychford
‘Intelligent and thought-provoking’
~ Steven Moffat, head writer and executive producer of Doctor Who
This book demonstrates that cultural icon Doctor Who is, always has been, and always should be, a political narrative.
As this much-loved science- fiction show, now in its 63rd year, continues to entertain audiences around the world, some people have complained that the writing, themes and presentation are too political. But, claims Lizbeth Myles, Doctor Who has always explored important and controversial political issues, and it is vital that it continues to do so. This insightful, intelligent and entertaining book looks back at some of the most prominent political themes that the series has tackled over the decades – including Nuclear Annihilation, Feminism, Colonialism, Environmentalism, Scientific Responsibility, and Transhumanism – the historical context in which they have been framed, and how the messaging has changed in different eras of the show’s history.
PRAISE for Where We Stand, Where We Fall:
‘A brilliant take on the history of Doctor Who, this is no dry political essay. It’s an engaging, thoughtful, deeply researched and heartfelt look at our beloved programme which has always reflected and sometimes even prophesied the state of our universe.’
Sophie Aldred, Ace in Doctor Who
‘Where We Stand, Where We Fall is a very apt title for a book that clearly delineates, possibly for the first time, the six central debates of Doctor Who, the ideas the show keeps returning to. It’s wise, ambitious and funny, and clearly written with an enormous love for and knowledge of the series. It’s the platform upon which much future scholarship will be built, the definitive work on the subject, pulling together a vast number of threads. I adored it.’
Paul Cornell, writer of Doctor Who, Saucer County, and Witches of Lychford
‘Doctor Who has been many things over the years. This book offers an intelligent and thought-provoking look at one of the most debated aspects of it – its politics. Liz Myles knows her stuff.’
Steven Moffat, head writer and executive producer of Doctor Who (2010-2017)
ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Lizbeth Myles is an award-winning podcaster, writer, and editor. She’s a three-time Hugo award finalist: she was nominated twice for her work on the Verity! podcast, and once for editing the Doctor Who essay anthology Chicks Unravel Time. She’s written Doctor Who and Blake’s 7 for Big Finish and the BBC and contributed articles to SFX and Doctor Who Magazine. She lives in Kirkcudbrightshire, Scotland.








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Missyrules
June 20th, 2026 - 1:15pmShould say I’ve read this book, well half of it as I’ve just started it. My partner has no interest in politics but I do. Its well written and interesting but it is what it is. Don’t buy if you don’t like politics
Bunter
June 14th, 2026 - 11:34amDoctor Who isn’t cancelled, the placeholder Christmas special is cancelled. A chunk of ‘The Fans’ and a whole industry of hate-tubers are absolutely thrilled about this and, quite frankly, have never been as excited about the show as in the last two eras. People have been writing long, weepy, cherry-picking eulogies for the show since at least 2017. Some of the reaction to this book appears to be an extension of all this…
beef
June 14th, 2026 - 8:33pmTell me about it. So many ice cold takes about “political messaging” like people haven’t been harping on about that for over half a century lol
War Chief.
June 10th, 2026 - 5:18pmExactly, Fh….stories like The Happiness Patrol and Vengeance on Varos being examples of the former…Just about all the stories after 2010 being examples of the latter….
Missyrules
June 10th, 2026 - 5:55pmWouldn’t say the moffat era did that. Chibnall onwards yes, and I didn’t mind chibnall so much, it just became too much message not enough story in Davies return
War Chief.
June 10th, 2026 - 6:01pmPeter Capaldi’s last season was a little….preachy…A great pity, as he had potential to be a really good Doctor.
Professor Litefoot
June 10th, 2026 - 9:51pmI think most people didn’t notice how preachy Moffat was because he doesn’t write convincing human conversation. It’s all speeches and slogans and monologues and nicknames and undermining scenes with comedy quips. So even though post-2010 DW is absolutely stuffed full of Steven Moffat’s sociopolitical opinion, it’s difficult to take it seriously anyway because the primary function of the writing is to be cute.
War Chief.
June 10th, 2026 - 10:02pmThank you, Professor….that rather cheered me up…
beef
June 11th, 2026 - 5:40pmSeries 10 is the best one. I fw the doctor punching a racist.
War Chief.
June 11th, 2026 - 6:10pmThat’s my point, Beef….all the white men were nasty racists….it did get a bit repetitive….
beef
June 12th, 2026 - 7:45amI think you’re misremembering because that’s not the case at all, also, a series featuring a black companion should tackle that subject matter for obvious reasons, not brush it under the rug like in that awful Shakespeare episode. I would also say that if repetition bugs you, there’s way more repetitive things throughout the show’s run, basically everything about it is repetitive lol
War Chief.
June 12th, 2026 - 9:29amI’m afraid you’ve lost me, beef….Dr Who is the least repetitive show I know. Every few years there’s a complete change of cast and characters (even the main character…!) and the show would have a fresh, intriguing, new look to it…
And what was wrong with the Shakespeare episode….? I rather liked it…
Peter
June 19th, 2026 - 9:02amWar Chief – certain runs are completely repetitive. S5 “base under siege”. S13/14 “gothic horror” stories (this week it’s the Dr Who version of: Frankenstein, Invasion of the Body Snatchers (twice!), Thing from Another World” etc. S8 – “it’sThe Master! Again! Every time!” S25: two back to back stories have the exact same plot, different monster.
I’ve been watching S6 every Sunday since last September (original air date – ends this Sunday with ep 10 of War Games) and there’s at least three stories where spacecraft need to function by homing in on a radio beam, for example.
Fh
June 10th, 2026 - 4:20pm‘This book demonstrates that cultural icon Doctor Who is, always has been, and always should be, a political narrative.’ Ah yes, that’s exactly what Sydney Newman was thinking when he conceived the show…
‘now in its 63rd year, continues to entertain audiences around the world’ spoke a bit too soon on this one.
The trouble with books like this (i mean, maybe I’m unfairly pre-judging it but I’d wager it’s accurate) is it’s written by people that, somehow, genuinely can’t see the difference between how the show used to tackle topics and how it’s done it the past few years, especially under Russell ‘The message is for the kids’ Davies.
Doctor Who used to make you think, not tell you what to think.
Professor Litefoot
June 10th, 2026 - 9:57pmPerfectly put. Haven’t looked into the writer, but maybe she is actually on a sensible wavelength with all this stuff? The description screams “dissertation I wrote when I was 20” though.
Amypondfan
June 10th, 2026 - 10:03pmShe wrote a short story in the scientific secrets of doctor who book back in 20whenever
ChrisP
June 10th, 2026 - 10:39pmThe blurb does say
“how the messaging has changed in different eras of the show’s history.”
I interpreted that as meaning that the book covers how the treatment of the themes has changed over the years.
beef
June 11th, 2026 - 5:41pmyou must not have watched much of the Pertwee era
Duncan
June 14th, 2026 - 1:29pmI watched the Pertwee era in real time and not once did myself or my other Who loving friends at primary school or even secondary, mention politics. When we talked about The Green Death we talked about the maggots. With Curse of Peladon we wouldnt have known what the EU was. I guess older kids than us maybe discussed the politics but for us 8-12 year olds it was all about the story, the aliens, Jo, UNIT and the Doctor.
Duncan
June 14th, 2026 - 1:30pmWell said, fh !
War Chief.
June 14th, 2026 - 2:00pmWell said Duncan…! Green Death was all about the giant maggots for me, Curse of Peladon I thoroughly enjoyed due to the monsters….no one at my school had any clue about the EU in the 70s, myself least of all….
It was all about the monsters, and the Story…! No messages rammed down our throats….and the show was highly successful, and the better for it…
War Chief.
June 14th, 2026 - 2:17pmThere’s a whooshing sound as messages always fly over my head….Apparently Robert Holmes wanted his excellent The Two Doctors to favour vegetarianism…..but Shockeye’s mouth watering descriptions of all the meat dishes he wanted to try put me firmly as a life long meat eater….!
I draw the line at rats, however…
Barney hall
June 14th, 2026 - 5:12pmExactly. The show used to be good story fiest message second (if therebahd to be one) and the stories were so strong thst if the message went over your head or was absent entirely then yous till had a great time. Huge swathes of the last two show runners and Moffat started to do it toward she end of his Tennor were message first story second if at all and sadly mostly it was not at all.
Amypondfan
June 14th, 2026 - 5:57pmMy daughter who is nine was totally confused by the ending of dot and bubble. She just didn’t understand why they wouldn’t accept his help. I have to say I thought the episode did not need a message beyond don’t become obsessed with social media! The ending was very confusing for kids
beef
June 14th, 2026 - 8:31pmMaybe the fact that none of you were catching on to obvious political messaging in the 70s is a hint as to why it’s more overt in today’s productions.
War Chief.
June 14th, 2026 - 8:38pmExcept there isn’t any Dr Who any more….which implies that the last few writers did rather over-egg the pudding….
Amypondfan
June 14th, 2026 - 9:04pmIn the 70’s the messaging was subtle, sometimes, and backed up by good stories. Now the message is all there is.
rich
June 16th, 2026 - 10:14pmThe trouble with commenting on something you haven’t read is that you have to make something up to be annoyed about
War Chief.
June 17th, 2026 - 10:48amWe do seem to have strayed somewhat from the point, which was this poor woman’s book….We need to get back on our astral plane…I believe they take off from Heathrow Airport….
bookcollector
June 17th, 2026 - 10:57amI thought they took off from Cromer…
Look this book is about politics in doctor who. I have no interest in it. But that’s just me. I’m sure others will find it fascinating. But before anybody comments on the writing perhaps people should read it first then comment on the quality of the writing. She isn’t new to doctor who having written several short stories and audios since 2008.
bookcollector
June 17th, 2026 - 11:12amApologies for the obscure downtime reference…
War Chief.
June 17th, 2026 - 12:09pmI still want to read Downtime….sometime….
It’s on my bucket list….
bookcollector
June 17th, 2026 - 12:36pmI enjoyed the novel back in 1995. I’ve read it several times since and always enjoyed it.
War Chief.
June 17th, 2026 - 12:51pmI read Ghost Light and Battlefield….very good…
The Time Crucible one, less so….then Lungbarrow, of course…
bookcollector
June 17th, 2026 - 1:14pmI read the times crucible one twice it was fine but it was the start of the whole 90’s “the doctor can’t have had a real granddaughter because that would mean (mouth the word in horror) s e x! Instead they came up with she wasn’t really his granddaughter and timelords were weaved on looms. I was pleased when Russell mentioned susan in the Tennant era of 2006 as his granddaughter then of course he ruined it all by the time ncuti ended! Lungbarrow is a book I’ve only read once. It was interesting but I can’t say I thought it was great. Battlefield and ghost light are very good though.
War Chief.
June 17th, 2026 - 2:08pmSo that was the purpose or reason behind the loons…!
I didn’t really understand what they were, despite reading Time’s Crucibke several times….it wasn’t until Lungbarrow that all became clearer….
For instance, I thought, if Time Lords are now sterile…..so, is the Doctor a contemporary of Rassilon, Omega etc after all…? He must be, if there are no more children….
There was no Internet back then to explain it all to me…
Amypondfan
June 19th, 2026 - 3:58pmActually I do have a question about reality war. If the time lords are sterile and have been always as seems to being indicated then how are there billions of children on gallifrey in day of the doctor?
Rory, the original you might say
June 19th, 2026 - 4:08pm@Amypondfan, they could be Gallifreyans who aren’t Time Lords, like the ones in Invasion of Time.
Missyrules
June 19th, 2026 - 7:03pmBit silly though isn’t it? We had pregnant time lords in arc of infinity. We had billions of children on gallifrey. Smacks more of just bad writing than a well thought out plot detail.
Scotel
June 19th, 2026 - 7:56pm“That genetic explosion. It… it didn’t kill us, but it roasted us and sterilised us. Extinction is taking a bit longer, that’s all.”
So no it hasn’t “always been” it’s only been the case since the Thirteenth Doctor’s era in-universe.
Missyrules
June 20th, 2026 - 1:09pmTo be honest I just don’t like Russell’s writing. The idea that the doctor hadn’t had kids yet was just daft to me. A pointless plot in a story that just didn’t work. Like others on here I thought the whole poppy idea was completely utterly involving. I think it was war chief who said it, I just didn’t care about the fate of the child. Give us better stuff with the villains for longer instead of the whole of look I’ve defeated another undefeatable god easily in five minutes now let’s spend 30 mins running around dealing with something so dull and so melodramatic it bordered on farce.
Missyrules
June 20th, 2026 - 1:11pmThat’s meant to be uninvolving. Oh and I get some people will like reality war. They can but it’s just not my thing.
War Chief.
June 20th, 2026 - 2:44pmThere were children in Day of the Doctor, and every other Stephen Moffat story, as he was a father and boringly obsessed with writing all about fatherhood in all his Dr Who stories….
Excuse me….pregnant Time Lords in Arc of Infinity…?
Missyrules
June 20th, 2026 - 4:39pmYes, in a background shot. Don’t ask where I can’t remember but there is a pregnant time lady.
War Chief.
June 20th, 2026 - 4:48pmGoodness….At least it wasn’t Lady Flavia….! Yes I know, she’s in The Five Doctors….What did Paul Cornell write about her…? Drunk in charge of a Sash….
Moodbeam
June 10th, 2026 - 4:07pmWhere we stand, where we fall.
An apt name for a book on a day such as this.
Goodbye Doctor, it was an absolute joy.