July 17th, 2024
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Doctor Who The Collection Season 25 Limited Edition Packaging
Available to order from www.amazon.co.uk, www.zavvi.com and www.rarewaves.com
With thanks to BBC Studios.
DOCTOR WHO: THE COLLECTION – SEASON 25 available on Blu-ray
Doctor Who fans can continue to build their own home archive on Blu-ray with an eight-disc box set, starring Sylvester McCoy as the Seventh Doctor.
The stories included are Remembrance of the Daleks, The Happiness Patrol, Silver Nemesis and The Greatest Show in the Galaxy. The stories also feature Sophie Aldred who plays iconic 80s companion, Ace, who joins the Doctor to battle Daleks, Cybermen, the murderous Happiness Patrol and the evil forces of the Psychic Circus.
PLUS, fans can experience this season like never before, with brand new extended special editions of all four adventures, exclusive to this Blu-ray set.
The four Special Editions feature unseen footage, updated special effects, immersive surround sound, and surprises. All episodes have been newly remastered from available sources meaning these classic adventures have never looked or sounded so good on home media.
The Collection: Season 25 is also jam-packed with hours of new and exclusive material including:
UPDATED SPECIAL EFFECTS
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Exclusive to Blu-ray, on the original broadcast versions of Remembrance of The Daleks,
Silver Nemesis and The Greatest Show in The Galaxy.
BEHIND THE SOFA
- New episodes with Sylvester McCoy (The Doctor), Sophie Aldred (Ace), Bonnie Langford (Mel), Nicola Bryant (Peri), Wendy Padbury (Zoe), Janet Fielding (Tegan), Sarah Sutton (Nyssa), Dame Sheila Hancock (Helen A), Jessica Martin (Mags), Karen Gledhill (Allison) and Mark Hardy (Cyber-Lieutenant).
IN CONVERSATION
- Three new episodes, with Sophie Aldred, script editor Andrew Cartmel and director Chris Clough.
LOOKING FOR DURSLEY
- A documentary looking back at the life and career of Dursley McLinden (Mike).
THE MAKING OF DOCTOR WHO
- A rare vintage documentary from 1988, previously only available on VHS.
SILVER NEMESIS – VHS EXTENDED VERSION
- A version of the story originally released on VHS with extra footage.
SILVER NEMESIS – SPECIAL EDITION OMNIBUS
- A special cut-down feature-length version of this adventure, in the tradition of the 1970s Christmas repeats.
THE COLLECTORS – THE 1980s
- Host Emily Cook chats to Doctor Who collectors about their 1980s treasures.
THE DOCTOR WHO ESCAPE ROOM – TEAM SEVENTH DOCTOR
- Sylvester McCoy, Sophie Aldred and Bonnie Langford attempt to escape the room of doom.
WHEN SOPHIE MET LESLEY
- Sophie Aldred chats to Lesley Dunlop, her co-star from The Happiness Patrol who also appeared in the Fifth Doctor story Frontios (1984).
STEPHEN MANSFIELD INTERVIEW
- The practical effects genius looks back on his Season 25 work.
STUDIO & LOCATION FOOTAGE
- Hours of raw footage and outtakes captured during the making of all four stories.
5.1 SURROUND SOUND
RARE ARCHIVAL MATERIAL FROM THE BBC VAULTS
EXCLUSIVE CONVENTION FOOTAGE
HD PHOTO GALLERIES
INFO TEXT
PDF ARCHIVE
PLUS LOTS MORE!
This eight-disc box set also includes hours of special features previously released on DVD including documentaries, featurettes, audio commentaries and more.
The Collection: Season 25 will be released on 21st October 2024.
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Prof Horner
August 21st, 2024 - 9:02pmRIP UNITS first Captain, Robert Sidaway. 1942–2024.
Boothby
August 20th, 2024 - 12:42amRelease date updated on Amazon as now 28th October and not 21st. Only a week so not all bad
David
August 19th, 2024 - 10:38pmJust had an email from Amazon saying that the boxset Is now being released on the 28th of October instead of the 21st.
D84
August 19th, 2024 - 9:30pmRelease now delayed by a week, my copy now due 28th October
Prowl 1701
August 19th, 2024 - 9:27pmGot a delay in shipping notice from amazon and I see the release date there has changed from October 21st to October 28th.
DelayedAgain
August 20th, 2024 - 1:02pmSo they missed the duplication deadline yet again
DanielM
August 21st, 2024 - 12:51pmConsidering it’s still over 2 Months till release I’d say it is more quality control related.
DelayedButHey
August 21st, 2024 - 3:48pmSomeones Always rushing to defend them when they miss a deadline over and over.
At this rate its going to 20 years release the remaining volumes and bluray wont be a thing by then.
But hey its ok
Anon
August 21st, 2024 - 4:01pmIt’s one week stop being so melodramatic!
Rory
August 21st, 2024 - 5:10pm@DanielM, to my mind they could delay it another month or more if there are issues.
Better to have a good product delivered late than to have a bad product delivered on time.
Gordon
August 21st, 2024 - 7:06pmOnce you have it you will no longer care if it’s been delayed. 6 years on I don’t grumble that season 12 was delayed 2 weeks as it’s on my shelf. It will take as long as it takes. If it’s a delay it’s a delay. Whatever the reason and I don’t think the reason has been explained it will be worth it in the long run. Season 25 is 8 discs and an enormous amount of content to get right.
At the current pace It will take 5 years to get the remaining seasons out providing it stays 2 a year. If it takes that long so be it.
SV7
August 7th, 2024 - 6:50pmHope we hear some news regarding the next animation soon. December 7th feels a very long time ago!
skaroman
August 15th, 2024 - 1:37pmEvery Thursday has now become “Please announce something” day, it has become a bit of an itch that only wishing thinking can scratch!
Bellal
August 15th, 2024 - 4:42pmYep. Waiting every week for an animation (Smugglers)
: )
daz
August 15th, 2024 - 10:50pmIan Levine said recently it isn’t Smugglers but it one he has already completed with his AI team.
Potentially it could be The Savages or The Massacre.
I guess we’ll find out in the next 2 weeks.
Adric Lives
August 16th, 2024 - 11:02amI think it’s likely to be ‘The Savages’. I hope it is. It’s a great story. Very underrated.
Anon
August 16th, 2024 - 12:05pmWell if Levine says it it must be true!
Prof Horner
August 16th, 2024 - 12:27pmWe have yet to have a historical story fully animated. So maybe The Massacre could be next. I would still prefer The Smugglers.
The Unlicensed Physician
August 16th, 2024 - 7:51pmI’m assuming Ian already thinks his version is better?
Gordon
August 17th, 2024 - 12:50amIan said he couldn’t care less as he already has his own version. Unfortunately some of his followers are already got the knifes out for whatever story it is saying they are being disrespectful to Ian and spitting on his work by releasing something he has already done first. This is despite this animation being worked on for more than a year which is longer than Ian has been working on these ai reconstructions.
If he is right about being one of the ones he’s done and not the smugglers i guess it’s probably savages
SV7
August 17th, 2024 - 6:46amIf it is The Savages next, I wonder where Nicola Methven (The Mirror) got The Smugglers from? Maybe for the first time she got a story wrong, January 2023 does feel a very long time ago!
(Even more bizarre as she reported Smugglers with Menace months in advance)
Gordon
August 17th, 2024 - 8:59amMaybe it was a mix up with the smugglers clips getting colourised. I mean it wasn’t the first time there was a similar sort of mix up. When she revealed macra back in 2018 she also said wheel was being animated. Technically she was right wheel was being animated but it was just a cut down of episode 1.
Bookcollector
August 17th, 2024 - 9:10amHave to say I would prefer the smugglers but savages would benefit greatly from being animated so I would be happy either way
James
August 17th, 2024 - 12:32pmWould make sense to do a season 3 story to try and fill the massive gaps of that season. Season 4 has 2 stories missing (Smugglers and highlanders) whereas season 3 has 3 four parters (savages, myth and massacre) 9 out of 12 parts of dmp, and possibly mission 1 episode.
I still think the bbc will strike a deal to commercially release the Uni lots version of Mission. That would be 1 less to work on. It’s got its own behind the scenes bits aswell.
I think it be great for them to work on doing DMP with David Bradley. As Mission acts as a
Prequel to DMP, be a great follow up project and it be better seeing what it would have actually looked like then trying to animate it. Get Nick to voice the Daleks and maybe Disney to budget it. Imagine a silver boxed release dvd with Mission and dmp. What a dream I know.
Prowl 1701
August 18th, 2024 - 6:09amBBC Studio has been working on Season 4 animations the past few years with Big Finish Creative working on the Season 5 and Season 3 animations. I think it will be The Smugglers.
SV7
August 18th, 2024 - 6:48amThat thought had crossed my mind as well Prowl 1701. Maybe BBC Studios are doing Smugglers and Shapeshifter is tackling Savages?
Gordon
August 18th, 2024 - 10:13amIt’s very possible that he was told what the next animation from the toymaker team. It does seem more a story that they would tackle as they have the same regular cast. Not sure if Ian realises there is more than one team in play or not.
It’s also possible whoever it was that told him did so to get peace from him so they can get on with whatever they are doing. From what I’ve been told he has a habit of emailing people constantly asking what is being worked on and pretty much telling how everything should be done. By Ian’s on admission he was sending Russell Minton emails daily until he started crapping on toymaker when he stopped responding which was round about the same time he doxxed his work address telling people to send in letters complaining. If it’s a story he’s already done and thus he has his own version it would kind of keep him quiet for a bit.
Prof Horner
August 18th, 2024 - 3:42pmWell I still hope it’s The Smugglers next. A good old fashioned adventure, Well told. Who else is a Time Tunnel fan? It gives off the same kind of feel good vibe. But then I am an old guy who watches Talking Pictures TV and loves county cricket!
So what’s coming up next. The Smugglers later in the year. Next year The Savages and The Wheel in Space or really left field, The Space Pirates?
As always it’s fun to speculate.
SV7
August 18th, 2024 - 7:01pmDo we know what stories Ian has completed with AI? I know that he did the first few missing episodes of DMP and Massacre and Savages, but what else do we know for certain he has done? Just to narrow it down would be interesting knowledge.
Gordon
August 18th, 2024 - 7:20pmHe has completed ai versions of:
Mission to the unknown
Masterplan (he is currently redoing 1)
Massacre
Savages (he redid 1)
He’s also done
Marco Polo: 1 redone (working on 2)
Galaxy 4: (working on 1)
Smugglers: 1 (working on 2)
Highlanders: 1 (working on 1)
Fury: 1,2,3,4,5 (working on 6)
Space pirates 1,3,4 (working on 5)
He is also going to be starting on myth makers at some point soon.
He has also said he is planning on doing every missing episode and also shada, the unmade 23 and 27, dark dimension 8 doctors etc and even said he has plans to record dialogue to do eps 3-6 of quatermass
SV7
August 18th, 2024 - 7:41pmGordon, you’re a legend mate! 😀
Gordon
August 6th, 2024 - 12:55amhttps://colour-recovery.fandom.com/wiki/Processed_programmes
This pretty much confirms what I said earlier in the year about restoration work being under way for season 7. 5 out of the 7 episodes of silurians were processed through the colour recovery method in February 2024.
DPHill
August 6th, 2024 - 10:41amI’m guessing these are either leaked and or part way through? They look really weird to me, and they seem to look less colourful than say the dvd versions, is it just me?
Prof Horner
August 6th, 2024 - 11:38amI look forward to seeing what they can do with my favorite season 7 story The Ambassadors of Death. Despite all the hard work episodes 2 and 5 are particularly ropey.
Gordon
August 6th, 2024 - 12:07pmThats just the raw output DPHill. Got a bit to go before it’s finished.
Craig F
August 6th, 2024 - 10:07pmVery interesting Gordon.
Do you think they might correct the CSO issues like they did with Terror of the Autons?
Some of the cave interiors are a bit ropey.
3rd Doctor
August 6th, 2024 - 10:12pmSEASON 7 IS ONNNNNN ❤️
DPHill
August 6th, 2024 - 10:39pmSeason 7 is ON @3rd Dr! And thanks for that Gordon, was worried for a sec but it’s just part way in a process I’ll not pretend to know anything about, can’t wait for it, or any missing who, collection, colourisation set!
Prowl1701
August 6th, 2024 - 11:30pmI wonder why episodes 1 and 3 aren’t listed.
Rex F
August 7th, 2024 - 6:37amI posted this months ago. I speculated that 1 and 3 didn’t have chromadots but that no one had needed to check until now.
Auton
August 7th, 2024 - 10:00amIf 1 and 3 don’t have chroma dots then how were they colourised for DVD? Was it the method of combining the American prints with the Black and White Prints?
Rex F
August 7th, 2024 - 11:30amYeah, they used an off-air NTSC recording from, IIRC, a compilation repeat.
Matt L
August 9th, 2024 - 12:18pmSo do you think Season 7 all being well could be out in march/spring 2025? Thanks
Gordon
August 10th, 2024 - 1:45amThink that will be roughly the release date
ReleasedATLast
August 12th, 2024 - 5:05pmAny sign of a release Jan/Feb 2025 ?
Craig F
August 4th, 2024 - 1:55pmSo if season 21 is in the mix for the next 3 releases what can we expect?
I’m guessing most of the new extras were filmed when season 20 was finished.
As resurrection of the Daleks & Planet of fire have both had work done on them already.
I would think Caves of Androzani could be enhanced. Some new CGI effects, 5.1 sound.
I’m not sure if it had some work done on the DVD release already the opening sceen in episode one the background shots on the Tardis landing area?
A new audio commentary for the awakening?
New interviews?
Any thoughts people?
DPHill
August 4th, 2024 - 8:50pmPerhaps awakening extended episode(s) featuring the cut kamelion scenes
In conversation with mark Strickson, Terry molloy, Eric saward
Be lovely to see update effects on resurrection and androzani (prowl would approve of new Dalek effects)
Fifth and sixth doctor escape rooms
Sone kind of season overview would be fun
Doctors table for number 5
Obviously behind the sofa
I do wonder what else they could put on there?
Perhaps if Pete mctighe is writing the spin off and seen as he does the collection trailers, he could maybe film a season 21 thing with them as part of land and sea filming…?
Bellal
August 4th, 2024 - 9:03pmYeah, maybe a silurian/sea devil thing for the trailer, Referencing warriors of the deep. Definitely an extended Awakening featuring Kanelion. That would be the best thing to do in my view
Gordon
August 5th, 2024 - 12:09amThis is what I would do:
*=new for blu ray
Season 21
Disc 1: warriors of the deep
Commentary
Isolated score
Behind the sofa*
The depths (making of)
They came from beneath the sea
Science in action
Doctor’s table*
Trailers and continuities
Easter egg
Updated photo gallery*
Updated production notes*
Disc 2: The awakening
Extended episodes*
Existing commentary
Isolated score
New commentary with Peter Janet and Mark*
Behind the sofa*
They came from little hodcombe (making of)
Making the malus
Now and then
From the cutting room floor
Golden egg award
Doctor who escape room: team 5th doctor*
Trailers and continuities
Updated photo gallery*
Updated production subtitles*
Disc 3: Frontios
Extended episodes*
Commentary
Isolated score
Behind the sofa*
Driven to distraction (making of)
Deleted and extended scenes
In conversation: Christopher H Bidmed*
Trailers and continuities
Updated photo gallery*
Updated production subtitles*
Disc 4: Resurection of the daleks (2 part version)
New fx*
Extended version*
Commentary
5.1 mix
Isolated score
Behind the sofa*
Making of*
Casting far and wide
On location
Breakfast time
Walrus
Trailers and continuities
Updated photo gallery*
Disc 5: Resurection of the daleks (4 part version
New fx*
Extended episodes*
Commentary
5.1 mix
Isolated score
Deleted and extended scenes
Studio rushes*
In conversation with Eric Saward*
Updated production subtitles*
Disc 6: Planet of fire (4 part version)
Extended episodes*
Commentary
Isolated score
Behind the sofa
The flames of sarn (making of)
Return to the planet of fire
Remembering Anthony Ainley
Calling the shots
Easter eggs
Trailers and continuities
Updated photo gallery*
Updated production notes*
Disc 7: planet of fire (Special edition version)
5.1 mix
Introduction
Studio tape*
In conversation: Mark strickson*
Come in number 5 (moved here for space reasons)
Location location location season 21*
Disc 8: Caves of Androzani
Commentary
5.1 mix*
Isolated score
Behind the sofa*
Chain reaction (making of)
Behind the scenes: the regeneration
Behind the scenes: creating sharaz Jek
Directing who: then and now
Full Studio tape of the regeneration (75 mins)*
Extended scenes
News features
Russell Harty show
Trailers and continuities
Easter egg
Tomorrow’s times: the fifth doctor
Stripped for action: the fifth doctor
Updated photo gallery*
Updated production subtitles*
Disc 9: The twin dilemma
Commentary
Making of*
Behind the sofa*
The star man
Look 100 years younger
Doctor who escape room: team 6th doctor*
Breakfast time
Blue Peter
Easter egg
Trailers and continuities
Updated production subtitles*
Updated photo gallery*
Studio clocks*
ChrisP
August 5th, 2024 - 11:57amGiven the upcoming spin-off, Warriors of the Deep is crying out for the Tales of the Tardis treatment- condensed omnibus re-edit with less shown of the Myrkha, better reactivation of the Silurians (not just static longshots) etc. There is the potential to improve it greatly.
Gordon
August 5th, 2024 - 2:45pmI’d imagine sea devils would be the better choice of the 2 sea devils stories.
anon
August 5th, 2024 - 3:25pmI would much rather have The planet of fire with the extended episodes as a four parter with new updated CG effects as they did with the recent Enlightenment for season 20.
Pete X
August 5th, 2024 - 5:38pmThere is also the Colin Baker Years (1994) that could go on the Twin Dilemma disk(s)
Gordon
August 5th, 2024 - 7:31pmThat’s already on season 22. Disc 3.
Just realised I missed off the 5th doctor revisited. That can go on the caves disc.
Prowl1701
August 5th, 2024 - 8:55pmAs DPHill mentioned, as long as I get my updated effects for Daleks I will be a happy whovian. Though I do want a making of for twin dilemma as well, looking forward to the behind the sofa for it too.
Anon
August 5th, 2024 - 10:10pmMaybe even get kevin Mcnally for Behind the sofa with Colin and Nicola in the same way they got Terry Molloy for season 22.
Gordon
August 6th, 2024 - 12:34amThat could all depend on if the galifrey one incident earlier in the year has fully blown over. He was reportedly arrested over an incident at the hotel he was staying for domestic assault. However he has recently claimed the charges were all dropped.
Lewis James
August 6th, 2024 - 4:52amI’m thinking updated CGI on resurrection as it seems to be one of the centerpieces of 21, although if they could give caves the modern regeneration effect that would look great for Peter’s send off. I also think a good chance of extended episodes of most episodes with the reintegration of deleted & extended scenes similar to what they did on 22. A special edition movie version of Caves would be fantastic too. Both Peter & Colin will surely be on the sofa along with both their teams escape rooms. Really looking forward to 21 my favourite fifth doctor season.
anon
August 6th, 2024 - 9:56amYeah apparently the case was thrown out of court.
DPHill
August 6th, 2024 - 10:35pmLiterally everything Gordon just said in that breakdown is what I want! And yes prowl, I knew you would! Twin making of would be great as well, get a full run of 5-10 for making ofs then!
Craig F
August 7th, 2024 - 6:16pmThe Peter Davison years was filmed I think but never released.
If it was then it should be on this release.
Drwhofan08
July 22nd, 2024 - 9:26am100% getting this
Matt L
July 23rd, 2024 - 7:41pmDoes everyone think season 7 or season 6 will be next after Season 25?
Craig F
July 23rd, 2024 - 9:56pmI thought season 6 would be next but according to Gordon aka the master who is rarely wrong its looking like season 7.
season 6 has been very quiet lately maybe a revelation will happen soon to explain why!
Who knows!
Bellal
July 23rd, 2024 - 10:32pmRevelation, mmmmm.. I can dream
Bellal
July 23rd, 2024 - 10:33pmEven with no ‘surprises’, nice recons on a disc would be a joy
Prowl 1701
July 24th, 2024 - 12:46amWell there are rumors that season 6 was delayed. I’m curious why if that is true.
Gordon
July 24th, 2024 - 1:20amWell I wouldn’t say I’m never wrong but based upon the information I’ve heard and been told it’s 7 next. Whether or not it’s right we shall find out within the next 6 months.
They will obviously have to tackle 6 eventually. Even though I’ve heard s6 is one of the next 3 releases along with season 7 and 21 there is a possibility that it might get moved down the schedule a little if space pirates does get put on the schedule for animation or the next colourisation or the one after turns out to be a season 6 story. I do know there is a lot of secrecy on which ones are being colourised. Not sure if even Russell is being kept in the loop. There will come a point though where they will have to put it out even if there is other stuff being planned for that at the same time. At the moment they can push it back if need be. Add on maybe another 4-5 releases and that may no longer be an option. There is also the possibility if s6 ends up getting pushed back and if wheel gets animated they decide to put it out s5 first.
Prof Horner
July 24th, 2024 - 10:19amWell it is interesting. Before I left Ian Levine’s group, there was a regular story about a guy who had passed away living in Australia, who recorded on early video recorder Doctor Who along with many other programmes. Apparently these recordings have been handed over to a university in Australia to catalogue.apparently he was a huge Doctor Who fan who recorded all the stories from The Faceless Ones onwards. There are two downsides to this story, first it will take years apparently to wade through these recordings and secondly some of his earlier recordings where destroyed by his family. Now I am not saying there is anything in this story, but suppose an early search found The Invasion episodes one and four and the complete Space Pirates. That certainly would be a reason for a delay in getting season 6 on blu ray. Both stories would be released separately first, which would probably mean 6 pushed back a couple of years. This would certainly be a curve ball are friend Prowl1701was talking about on his latest excellent video.
Gordon
July 24th, 2024 - 12:02pmIt would be amazing but I doubt we would ever get that lucky. That’s 35 episodes from 9 stories if it was all of them from faceless on. As brilliant as that would be I just can’t see it. We might get the odd episode maybe even completion of a story but all 9? Sounds like another omnirumour.
Bellal
July 24th, 2024 - 1:21pmSadly agree. Can’t see vast swathes of missing material cropping up. Would be more than happy for a few random episodes (even one), eg. another space pirates one as there is not much representing the second half per say
Rex F
July 24th, 2024 - 4:30pmI heard a similar story a few years back, but the guy taped over each episode with the next one rather than keeping them. So I’m wondering if the same story has “evolved” over time.
scotel
July 24th, 2024 - 4:59pmWhile the story definitely has some truth behind it (we know the collector was recording television from that period of time and was a big Doctor Who fan), the vast majority of the recordings from that time were destroyed in the clear out before the archivists could get in. I would not expect any Doctor Who content out of it although rather unfortunately I expect there probably was material in there.
I will say at the time the story first broke they were expecting if anything it would have been Season 6 material based on the dates of what little was spared. I think some enthusiastic fans might have started stretching it from there.
Prowl1701
July 24th, 2024 - 5:45pmI do remember reading about the massive hoarder that passed away last year or so and had a crazy amount of stuff, his family was hiring garbage trucks to load up and send stuff to the dump. Eventually someone intervened and what was left of his collection was taken to a college so people could look through it all and see what might be there. Supposedly it will take like 10 years to go through everything. It is unknown whether there was anything doctor who recorded or not.
Prof Horner
July 24th, 2024 - 5:55pmWell I think the general consensus was any Doctor Who was destroyed before the archivist got in as you say@Scotel. It is heartbreaking to think that these recordings may have existed all these years, only to be destroyed at the last minute. Just thought I would put this story out. As for any colourized sixties Who , I think it will be either Tomb of the Cybermen or The Seed of Death , both stories feature classic Who monsters and are the only complete sixties stories of these monsters. I really can’t see them doing The War Games as it far too long and they would have to cut far too out.
Mac
July 25th, 2024 - 12:17pmThe whole Austria story is told about on the 42 to Doomsday podcast.
They talk to the people involved and recently did an episode about material that has been recovered from easier formats e.g VHS tape
mac
July 25th, 2024 - 9:45pm*Australia…dam auto correct
3rd Doctor
July 27th, 2024 - 7:35pmSEASON 7 NEXT THE BEST JON PETWEE SEASON
Bobby Fackrell
August 3rd, 2024 - 6:48pmFirst series I ever saw on TV
Nb7
July 19th, 2024 - 9:58amI’ve go to admit I’m really really looking forward to seeing that American documentary that came with Silver Nemisis.
I remember getting the vhs when I was younger, school fete had been cancelled due to the rain so and my mum popped into Reading town centre, Blockbuster basement had a massive bbc selection to buy and there was Nemesis.! Always remember the scene where Sylvester was late for for filming in Windsor. And Rememberance I got for my birthday in 94 in the dalek tin! Loads of Dapol toys and the dalek tin. Season 25 means one hell of a lot to me. Just wanted to share that.
SV7
July 19th, 2024 - 11:26amWhat a great story, I miss Blockbuster so much. I used to spend hours in there looking at all the different DVDs… happy times, makes me all the more grateful we still have HMV!
Anon
July 19th, 2024 - 1:17pmExactly sv7
Nb7
July 19th, 2024 - 4:00pmThe one in Reading Town centre was amazing, the whole basement was bbc videos and pretty much 3 walls were full of Doctor Who videos. Curse of Fenric was the first one I got, life changing moment! But yeah Blockbuster was really great. I used to love getting the ex rentals to buy, as vhs to buy was slow in those days after a film stopped on the cinema. Renting was the only option then they sold the films as ex rentals then months down the line they’d be officially available to buy. Who remember the bargain pop corn and sweet with a new rental.
Glyn Talbot
July 19th, 2024 - 8:14pmIs there any CGI Effects on any episodes?
Rex F
July 19th, 2024 - 10:05pmGlyn: You mean for original broadcast? Yes, computers were used at times, but don’t expect 3D rendering (outside of the titles). I’m assuming you weren’t asking about the blu-ray as it’s mentioned twice near the start of the article.
Pierre
July 23rd, 2024 - 12:11amI remember the VHS cover to silver Nemesis as someone described it as being “snot green” which never failed to make me laugh.
Rex F
July 23rd, 2024 - 1:11amIf someone said the VHS cover was “snot green” then I’d want to know what medical condition they had – it’d probably be something involving radioactive poisoning…
RPG74
July 17th, 2024 - 11:44pmThere’s an interesting article on Deadline,com about the recent nuWho season, alluding to a disappointing performance on Disney+, and concern about the potential fate of RTD2. Not unexpected.
But does this mean we have to worry about some of the merchandising ranges, moving forward, if there’s no nuWho onscreen? I know the collection sets are locked in place no matter what, but what about the animations? Could they be torpedoed, post-Smugglers, or whatever comes after Smugglers? Or am I getting ahead of myself?
Pierre
July 18th, 2024 - 12:29amI am intrigued by whether the audiences it is currently getting are sustainable for a BBC level budget programme but very low for a $10 million an episode tent pole.
If the Disney money goes then presumably so does Gatwa hence to allusion to him not sticking around. Either way we’re into interesting times.
Anon
July 18th, 2024 - 1:19amIt amazes me that there is a section of fandom that just seems desperate for the show to end. Series 2 is already made. And the basic fact is doctor who was always going to struggle on an exclusive worldwide deal with Disney as I doubt fans across the world rushed out and subscribed to Disney + just for one show. I love when fans complain about the ratings. They forget that in the 60’s and 70’s there were only three channels and in the 80’s only four channels. Think about that for a moment. 10m viewers with 3 channels. 3m viewers with literally thousands of channels. It’s all relative. And the city of death argument. Highest rated story… only because ITV was on strike and there was only one other channel on! And think on this. City had an average of 14.5m viewers with only one rival channel. The population of the UK was 56.2m.
Gordon
July 18th, 2024 - 1:29amNah the animation/collections are completely separate and have nothing to do with Disney. The celestial toymaker animation topped the chart on dvd and blu ray on the week of release despite the vitriol thrown at it by some quarters. Think the animation range is a range that’s strong enough really to continue without the show being on the air. As long as the animations continue to be profitable for bbc studios it will continue. They may hit a brick wall with some of the more expensive ones but they ain’t at that point yet.
To be honest I’m not listening to any gossip over not getting a season 3 until the bbc/disney comment themselves. Sounds an awful lot like the whole Millie being sacked despite she wasn’t.
Rex F
July 18th, 2024 - 2:19amThe animations and Collection sets were what was generating the most income for BBC Studios in terms of home media a year or two back, so I think the animations are safe in some format at least. Just don’t expect a big budget increase.
Babelbro
July 18th, 2024 - 4:48amSimilarly to replies above, I would assume Disney will form a proper conclusion once the (already recorded) future episodes are fully delivered online, and whatever has been leaked now is very likely an ‘initial’ observation and/or constructive concern.
The optimist in me would think Disney, if these views are fully legit, would bring these notes to the table with RTD to help make positive improvements to the post production of Series 2 (revising edits is highly common in film and tv, as did happen to the original Star Wars movie before screening in 1977).
I personally don’t feel Doctor Who needs a gargantuan budget, or big sparkly sets / fx, in order to tell a half decent story. Blink is a testament to that, as is Parting of the Ways, Caves of Androzani. It’s a little bit like today’s videogame remasters having the latest technology to show the player *all* of the level’s surroundings at huge distances, destroying the once mesmerizing and effective foggy atmospheres, while to cover technical limitations 30 years prior, felt meaningful, creative and rich in presentation.
That’s exactly how I feel about Doctor Who. Enough of manufactured gimmicks, give the new cast room to breathe, create each episode as naturally and organically as is possible, let the scripts sell themselves to the audience. It should always be quality scripts first, mega bucks budgets last, never ever the other way around.
I can’t speak for every fan online, but I do believe many out there that discuss and review, offering technical areas for improvement, for the production team to take on board the gist of what is and what isn’t working – effectively get written off as being negative / haters / Pro RTD1-Moffat-Chibnall- “Doctor Who wasn’t as good after 23rd November 1963” chestnut tag, without actual constructive debate response. It’s like the internet’s just “love this thing 100% or your view has no merit”.
Maybe it’s just me but I tend to find things I agree with from a whole spectrum of Doctor Who fans. I don’t believe in this tribal business on the likes of social media.
Anon
July 18th, 2024 - 8:45amSteven Moffat’s comment about ratings sums up th BBC’s standpoint perfectly. He said in an interview at his old university (Glasgow I think, it’s on YouTube and is a great interview) that he wasn’t bothered by the ratings arguments among fans as he saw another figure that had a greater significance. The revenue who generated each year.
Trouble is you have people on here saying that ncuti and millie can’t act yet that is patently untrue and indeed if you look at reaction to the episodes most reactors praise their acting. I just get the feeling that as far as some people are concerned and it actually breaks down into three camps, doctor who ended with the best actor in 1966 (hartnell fans who saw the show from the beginning), 1981 Tom Baker fans, and 2009 Tennant fans. You get the same line from them all “it’s not been as good since…” etc, etc. I’ve been a fan for many years now. (Since pertwee) I just like doctor who. I don’t care about ratings, I don’t compare series and or list stories in order of my favourite to my least favourite. I just watch who and take what I can from it. You get what you put in as far as I’m concerned. If you approach who with an ‘its rubbish’ attitude why are you even watching? And the argument that classic who was much better written than new who is nonsense. I love classic who but virtually every story has plot holes. Yes. Even the classics. For instance, evil of the daleks is highly praised, I love it. It’s great fun. But…
1, the dalek plan to capture the doctor makes no sense. It’s so convoluted and over complicated. Steal the tardis. Fine. Have a character there to talk to the doctor. Fine. But for the plan to be for the doctor to be suspicion of that character, to expect the doctor to follow him, to find a matchbook leading to a coffee bar where another character will meet him and tell him where to go is completely unnecessary. You could condense the first two episodes in one. Just have Kennedy in the warehouse and have him tell the doctor to go to waterfield’s shop at 10pm where everything will be explained. Kennedy doesn’t even have to die. He and waterfield could have knocked out Jamie and the doctor as soon as they arrived in the shop. Waterfield takes them back 1866 and Kennedy gets to keep any money in shop for his services the episode ends with the dalek coming out of the cabinet. Equally the character of Terrell is completely unnecessary. Why is he there? Why are the daleks controlling him when they already control the house? Thing is I love the story. But frankly you can do this with virtually all classic who.
Doesn’t matter. It’s just a show I love. And one I’ll continue to happily watch.
Nb7
July 18th, 2024 - 10:05amThe animations and collection sets will be fine. RTD has said before if Disney pull out he’d carry it on on a smaller budget.
Unfortunately I’m one of those minority’s on here where I’ve found the recent series pretty bad. From a constructive point of view. Everyone’s free for their opinion and all taken on board but I’ve not personally enjoyed the last few years. Do I want the show to end? No. Would I like to see a new team in and start from scratch? Yes.
From a political standpoint I can see the bbc and the government working out something to keep it going. The government have already stressed how they feel about the licence fee and the bbc so it’s very likely safe for at least till after season 3.
RPG74
July 18th, 2024 - 10:40amTo be honest, i think as I’ve said before that a hiatus might be for the best, so the series can return one day renewed, with a new creative team and a fresh perspective. But I don’t want to get into an argument about that-my question was whether the animation range, for example, would likely be affected by Who’s absence from our screens. And that question has been answered, satisfactorily. Thanks all.
Scotel
July 18th, 2024 - 4:23pmThe article has some… questionable takes. Their quoted budget figure of 10 million an episode was debunked a long time ago and their basis for Disney not being happy with the ratings is that the BBC’s figures are low (not Disney’s own figures). It reads more like an opinion piece than any actual insider information.
Regardless of Disney’s future involvement, the BBC seem happy enough with the show and Disney have no involvement with the animations.
Also to be quite frank: if you want a fresh take on the show, you don’t need a “hiatus” or a “break”. What you need is a new team, whether that’s in 2 years or 20 makes no difference other than depriving us of new content.
RPG74
July 18th, 2024 - 8:43pmA new team is exactly what I want, but are we likely to get it now? If you think about it, with Davies, Moffat and Chibnall, we’ve had 2005 people in charge for the last 20 years. Stracynski threw his hat into the ring to replace Chibnall and the Beeb turned him down flat, preferring RTD again. I’m obviously no mind reader but it seems to me that the current BBC management don’t want anyone outside of the comfortably middle class, trendy lefty, right on Guardian set who have been, and are in charge now. Who looks very much like a closed shop, But perhaps the benefit of time, in the form of a hiatus, and a changing hierarchy at Auntie can serve to shift things.
However, I may be wrong, and if the Beeb fire RTD next year and replace him with a bold, exciting new visionary, then I’ll be happy to come back to these boards and admit that I know nothing.
Babelbro
July 19th, 2024 - 12:00am@RPG74 – It’s interesting that you’ve alluded to that inner circle of RTD, Moffat and Chibnall, The Fitzroy Crowd as it were (for anyone unknown to what ‘The Fitzroy Crowd’ is, Google’s page 1 search result under r/Gallifrey fully explains the context of the group).
Series 8, in 2014, under Moffat, felt like the strongest effort to begin changing New Who’s entire storytelling and characterization infrastructure from the ground up, as is backed up by Peter Capaldi’s own accounts of wanting to set his own definitive tone, getting away from Tennant and Smith’s takes. “Do you think I care for you so little that betraying me would make a difference” perfectly captured a refreshing, alternative, intense, darker persona to the series, without losing that humanising, raw factor from Series 1 in 2005.
Unfortunately Series 8’s finale “Death in Heaven” onwards went completely backwards, back to the status quo, at least for me anyway and hasn’t since changed. Looking back on that snap-back, I feel today more than ever that there was far more at play so as not to rock the boat again as much as Series 8 did with those episodes like Deep Breath, Listen, Flatline and Dark Water’s ‘Tardis Key’ scene. I would go as far as to say that while it did have the odd flawed script, Series 8 felt like the biggest risk the BBC ever played, yet hands down still delivered the best Doctor and Companion dynamic since Eccleston and Piper.
It felt like something really special was happening with the show as soon as Capaldi got in, but very quickly the people in charge emphatically wanted to put that spark out.
Anon
July 19th, 2024 - 12:16amWhy would the BBC fire him? They are happy with who. They have made no complaints and have said it’s fine. Most casual watchers I know, that is those who watch who but are not what you would consider as “fans” loved the new series. Also, “bold and exciting new visionary” can we place bets on how long such a showrunner would be “ruining who and killing the show.” As soon as any showrunner tries anything new they are blasted for destroying who!
Anon
July 19th, 2024 - 12:18amShould be plade bets on how long the showrunner would last before etc, etc!
RPG74
July 19th, 2024 - 12:58amPerhaps I was a little brutal in my phrasing. Not ‘fire him’, but maybe talk to him about passing the torch onto someone else. I don’t want to sound like I’m anti-Russell, because I’m not, he’s had a solid career, with hit shows, and awards up the wazoo. And he’s the main reason why Who is alive today. Respect where it’s due. But, let’s be honest, he hasn’t really tried anything new here, not by his standards. It’s been a little more PC, a little more ‘woke’ if you like, but other than that it’s been very very RTD. Which is the point I was trying to make about 2005 people. That stuff worked brilliantly in the early noughts, but now? I don’t think so, and judging by the ratings, and the fact that the Beeb have refused to release the recent series Audience Appreciation Index figures-for the first time in twenty years-a lot of people agree. What’s needed is fresh blood.
Deano
July 19th, 2024 - 10:53amVery interesting as the Radio Times reported yesterday an update about the spin off with the Sea Devils The War Between the Land and the Sea is due to start filming in September so if true this doesn’t appear to show any concern moving forward ?.
Duncan
July 19th, 2024 - 2:32pmId hope the blu rays aren’t affected. Surely the pre sales of season 25 show there’s plenty of interest in the old show ?
I don’t watch Who any more. Bowed out with Jodie, but I would be sad if it ended. Time will tell, I guess.
Rex F
July 19th, 2024 - 4:22pmDuncan: The old stuff makes money, it’s safe. Classic Who was singled out in an end of year industry report on home media sales.
Rex F
July 19th, 2024 - 5:04pmNew Nu Who feels like more of the same, but Rusty’s now the ‘cool’ old uncle who tries too hard. “Hey kids, how about that recent but already slightly out of date thing?” The kids respond, “Sure thing, Uncle Rusty!” Rusty leaves the room, and the kids look at each other with wry, knowing smiles. Mum says, “Aw, bless ‘im.”
RPG74
July 19th, 2024 - 5:53pmInteresting thoughts Babelbro, and I agree about season 8 being a strong season-at least until Death in Heaven, which I personally loathed, (the poor Brig!). And politics behind the scenes might explain the almost total personality transformation in 12, from the dark, almost insidious figure of Season 8, to the warmer, more sensitive hoodie Asbo Doctor of Seasons 9 and 10.
Babelbro
July 20th, 2024 - 1:28am@RPG74 – For me you’ve hit the nail clean on the head;
I feel we share the near exact same view, let alone Capaldi’s own account to the Radio Times about wanting Doctor Who to be darker, that little bit more serious, if scarier – wanting to draw inspiration from the works of Tom Baker and Christopher Eccleston’s eras, and admitted he himself lost that battle with those at the top in charge in his own era (presumably Steven Moffat).
2014, Capaldi, coming in right after the gargantuan 50th anniversary marketing of Tennant/Smith, his predecessors literally getting the best exposure New Who’s ever had globally to say “this is Doctor Who now” – yet, instead for me it was Peter Capaldi being the driving force behind wanting to take Doctor Who somewhere different the following year that completely had me transfixed as a teenager. The “am I a good man” trailers, the best advertising in Doctor Who since ‘Trip of a Lifetime”, and never bettered, a decade later.
It’s even telling the sheer audience turnouts Peter Capaldi drew in across the World at public events leading up to Series 8. He would enter the stage literally like a rock star. Tumblr had an absolute meltdown over his casting yet the real World was turning out massively for both him and Jenna Coleman.
It never feels okay to write off the current Doctor Who incumbents (Season 26 being a perfect example of such behaviour from the BBC) but, honestly, in it’s current form I can’t realistically see Gatwa and Gibson getting that same reception compared with the heights of Capaldi and Coleman in 2014.
Nothing against Gatwa and Gibson in the slightest, but I believe it is time for RTD to take immediate stock of how Series 1 has been received (by his own admission) his target audience – incorporate that feedback positively towards post production of Series 2, while having a clean reworking of Series 3 onwards, with or without Disney (again I don’t believe Disney, and/or big budgets do anything better for Doctor Who).
If RTD cannot or does not want to do that, and Series 2 is again a mixed bag, only then do I believe that fresh blood should be brought in. I assume RTD would choose his successor again, but in this instance I would rather a reliable third party draw up a shortlist for Russell to select from.
DPHill
July 17th, 2024 - 1:36pmHad a thought about a possible wilderness special feature, there’s a long history of mostly unheard of or unsuccessful doctor who games, and I wonder if alongside destiny of the doctors they could go through the history of doctor who games, maybe even into the modern era, and perhaps have little play through a of them as well, I wonder if anyone would like this sort of thing? Maybe a theory to forty minutes feature?
Rory
July 17th, 2024 - 4:23pmAll of the games, including board games such as ‘Battle for the Universe’ and ‘Dodge the Daleks’.
I mean, they can can skip the branded ones like Doctor Who Monopoly, Risk, Chess, etc, etc. But it would be good to see the games and see people playing them. It could be like the escape room feature in Toymaker.
Rory
July 17th, 2024 - 4:23pmAll of the games, including board games such as ‘Battle for the Universe’ and ‘Dodge the Daleks’.
I mean, they can can skip the branded ones like Doctor Who Monopoly, Risk, Chess, etc, etc. But it would be good to see the games and see people playing them. It could be like the escape room feature in Toymaker.
TheDoctor
July 17th, 2024 - 4:27pmDoctor Who and The Mines of Terror. With Robots ( which due to rights issue was not Daleks ) – by Micro Power
Or the various Quake and Quake II facelifts by me
Gordon
July 18th, 2024 - 1:32amI’d watch that. It’s an area I’m not that knowledgeable so I’d find it very interesting
Gordon
July 16th, 2024 - 12:43pmWell a bunch of Ian Levine projects has hit YouTube. I suspect not endorsed by him. This will probably get pulled so enjoy it while you can
The projects include:
Yellow fever (8 parts): (4 hours 20 minutes)
Gallifrey (6 parts) : (3 hours 45)
Lost in the dark dimension (6 parts) (2 hours 35)
Dimensions in time (2 parts) (31 mins)
Downtime (4 parts) (1 hour 52)
The eight doctors (12 parts) (5 hours 25)
Destiny of the doctor (4 parts) (1 hour 59)
Death comes to time (8 parts) (3 hours 8)
Attack of the graske (1 part) (31 mins)
Music of the spheres (2 parts) (41 mins)
Search out space (2 parts) (18 minutes of just Sylvester links due to the episode it’self being claimed for copyright)
https://youtube.com/@theianlevinearchive?si=uv19W6f4JGfJCoVN
Anon
July 16th, 2024 - 2:16pmNot sure enjoy is the right word!
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 2:21pmThanks for that Gordon, I must say where he has managed to get the actual actors, the music work and audio version of the story is quite good sounding at a glance – some more entertainment indeed, i shall listen to them rather than watch on a long drive! If i were to watch, I agree that enjoy might be an odd one to achieve…
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 3:42pmThey seem to have uploaded a little bit more now
Exploration Earth (1 part) [20 min]
Slipback (2 parts) [1 hr]
The Nightmare Fair (4 parts) [1 hr 38 min]
The Paradise of Death (5 parts) [1 hr 54 min]
The Ghosts of N-Space (6 parts) [2 hr 7 min]
I just had a little look, he would – as he says – rather not hear of any more leaked materials that he has worked on, ‘his beautiful work’ being out there is ‘injurious to [his] health’. I do see it would be stressful, but you can’t go around upsetting many people and not expect repercussions when you talk so maliciously quite often, regardless if you’re a fan and trying to fills gaps for others.
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 3:56pmThey seem, whoever they are, either Ian himself to avoid future leaks, or soeone who is unhappy with him, to be uploading more, as I typed that out A Fi with Sontarans (1x15min) was just uploaded. Not really sure how much else there could be other than Shada, but they’re not the most watchable things on the planet.
Rex F
July 16th, 2024 - 4:44pmEveryone needs a hobby. Ian likely needs a few new ones. He could start by becoming a copyright agent, scouring the interwebs to take down his work. That’d keep him occupied.
Gordon
July 16th, 2024 - 6:08pmMaybe I might be pushing it by saying enjoy.
Oh they have uploaded more. Seems like some of them had to get the opening/closing credits cut to get past the copyright protection.
Think there is a couple of things beside shada not yet up. mission to Magnus, ultimate evil and hollows of time of s22 and the entirety of the unmade season 27. hollows and evil were online not too long ago so I expect that might pop up.
Mac
July 17th, 2024 - 12:14pmInteresting. Nice to see some of the cut scenes from Dimensions in Time Part 2. But dear god, who ever edited these needs to learn about pace.
DPHill
July 17th, 2024 - 1:34pm@Mac, of course they don’t have to learn, it’s Ian and his team and we should all praise him (you’re absolutely right though)
Babelbro
July 17th, 2024 - 4:01pm@Mac, I have a copy of Ian Levine’s Dimensions in Time – it’s a total sellout with zero deleted scenes, just 140p clips from 60s Who and the Eastenders CGI intro.
Ian Levine literally claims to own a copy of the true deleted footage, yet he didn’t use a single ounce of it towards his own non-profit private project.
The only possible justification is that he suddenly forgot the videotape was sitting right behind him, realised later on it was there while on rendering 98% of the project overnight then in a pure fit of rage proceeded to throw his computer monitor out the nearest bedroom window.
Gordon
July 18th, 2024 - 2:03amIt really is a bizzare thing he’s done to dimensions. There is like zero pacing at all to it and the soundtrack being half new who half terror of the zygons is just baffling. The jon and brigadier scene in the helicopter is ridiculously bad.
More items have surfaced
Born again (4 parts) (70ish minutes)
The time war (5 parts) (139 minutues)
Evil of the daleks ep 7 (24 minutes)
Hollows of time (4 parts)? (139 minutes)
Mission to Magnus (4 parts) (roughly 106 mins)
Ultimate evil (4 parts) (141 minutes roughly)
Babelbro
July 18th, 2024 - 5:07am@Gordon – For all the emphasis Levine made towards his extended tape of Dimensions, only to spend all that effort on “updated vfx”, and completely forget that tape, especially given his leniency on copyright, even though this was intended to be a private project anyway – None of it adds up. Levine either fibbed about owning any extended footage or completely forgot he even had it in his possession – the latter outcome of which would be too hilarious to contemplate, given how forensic he’s always been with Doctor Who.
I wouldn’t be surprised if all video uploads of his AI episodes from his private-invite Facebook group all end up on this same YouTube channel, further proving that even with Levine’s “Questionaire” ID invitation to this Facebook group, he’s simply always going to get moles no matter what. Once something is posted on the internet, it stays on the internet – and whoever runs this YouTube channel clearly owns a sheer ton copy of Levine’s projects on a drive to be that meticulous and efficient in storing, naming and uploading.
Gordon
July 18th, 2024 - 8:58amIan certainly has a long history of exaggeration when it comes to things like having deleted scenes and other things. Even some of the things that he claims to have been happening there is no evidence of it actually being the case. Gallifey being the s23 finale written by Eric despite there being no evidence at that being the case at all and even being denied by Eric himself. The 8 doctors getting a direct to video release despite no evidence of that plus even if it did happen it would have been 90 minutesish not 5 hours 30. The list goes on.
I can see why pretty much all of these have been turned down. They are either really bad, far too long or longer than it ever would have been if it had been made or have likenesses or copyrighted material that the bbc would never have been able clear. The suits from halo in dark dimension and using people’s faces like Andrew Garfield in the 8 doctors to name 2 examples of that
I know somewhere that does have the ai recons (I’m not saying where as I don’t want it shut down) and as soon as they are posted on the contributors group they are posted there within an hour so I don’t think it’s going to be a problem for the person getting hold of that stuff. From what I gather they don’t really check if the person actually has donated. You just need to say that you have and you get let in.
Gordon
July 18th, 2024 - 11:03pmAnd that’s the unmade s27 up as well.
Thin ice ep1:28:30 2: 31:58 3: 35:01 4: 35:37
The crime of the century ep1: 27:16 2: 26:55 3: 26:34 4: 32:11
Earth aid ep 1: 24:13 2: 25: 39 3: 24:46 4: 30:37
Animal ep 1: 26:55 2: 24:21 3: 30:09 4: 35:43
There is also a 39 second special message from the uploader saying it’s the last ones and to support the official big finish releases.
Btw born again actually hasn’t been expanded to 70 minutes. There is about 30 odd minutes of material that got flagged up that didn’t make it to YouTube so Ian expanded an 8 minute skit to 100
mac
July 19th, 2024 - 12:47amLevine called Big Finish fan wank.
What do you call a 100 minute edit of a 8 minute scene?
The episode 2 cliffhanger is funny as hell
Anon
July 19th, 2024 - 1:04amWhy? Just why? These are awful!
Gordon
July 19th, 2024 - 7:03amIt’s ironic that he calls big finish fan wank when a lot of these projects are the very definition of it. Crowbaring Sylvester in to search out space, downtime, destiny of the doctors for no reason and expanding destiny, born again and others for no reasons other than to make them 25 min episodes are all very good examples of fan wank. He actually claimed 10 years ago that these works would sell 100k minimum and being generous I’d say it’s probably closer to a tenth of that
Ian hates big finish but however he used the big finish lost stories audio soundtracks for nightmare fare, mission to Magnus, hollows of time and the entirety of s27. For the rest of season 23 he got Nicola and a bad colin impersonator for the ultimate evil, yellow fever and Gallifrey (Colin for decades has refused to have anything to do with him). Big finish did eventually do their own version of ultimate evil but it was years after he made this
I think with the majority of these things there is a curiosity factor as they are things the people have kind of wanted to see them for years as they have been kind of hyped up. None of these are great or even good or even releasable on dvd but people do have a curiosity factor attached to them. The only ones that I would say are good is mission to the unknown and shada
Mac
July 20th, 2024 - 11:54pmHere’s hoping for a Wilderness Years Blu-ray. With a remastered Dimensions in Time with a separate deleted scenes section.
I remember reading in DWM Noel Edmonds made them edit 2 minutes out of part 2.
The Unlicensed Physician
July 21st, 2024 - 5:13amThanks, Noel Edmonds.
Prof Horner
July 16th, 2024 - 12:18pmLast year season 20 was announced in July and Underwater Menace animation in August. So do we think there will be announcement next month for say The Smugglers or Wheel in Space animation?
D84
July 16th, 2024 - 12:53pmGordon has mentioned a bit further down a rumour of a suspected Animation announcement landing next month.
Smugglers has been leaked as far back as January 2023 when rumours of further animation projects were in the works so very well could be that
I would love Wheel in Space to get done one day – seems like a good fit story wise (Characters / backgrounds / no of episodes
Prof Horner
July 16th, 2024 - 1:05pmThanks for that D84. I must have missed Gordon’s post. Been trying to find it . There are a lot post’s on here. I hope we get The Smugglers soon and maybe Wheel in Space after that. The two I want most. I would love Dalek Masterplan, but it is not coming out any time soon.
Gordon
July 16th, 2024 - 1:50pmThere is definitely more coming from the underwater menace team. Paul Hembrey at the bfi back in October said more was coming from this team. Anne-Marie Walsh also said future animations would be more diversified in the type of story chosen in future (ie not just sci-fi or monster stories). From what I’ve been told it’s a more obscure one getting announced next (so no masterplan/wheel or polo). Smugglers fits that description. Assuming that they started in July 2023 when menace finished they should be a year into production whatever it is. From what I’ve been told unless things are delayed they should announce it next month. Not sure it all how true it all is but could be exciting if it’s the case
Prof Horner
July 16th, 2024 - 2:02pmWell thats good news Gordon. I really love The Smugglers. A simple story, Well told.
Prof Horner
July 16th, 2024 - 2:22pmAlso, I could see the team behind Toymaker (shape shifter is it?) Doing The Myth Makers.
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 2:34pmI think given last year, July then August, I would think that would work again for this year, perhaps the animation is really close, or we shall get that in December as I can’t seeing it being the next month after announcement.
July – S25 announced
Aug – Animation announced + Saga 1/Series 14/Season 40 released
Sep – Colurisation announcement?
Oct – S25 released
Nov – Blakes 7, i know it isn’t who…
Dec – Animation released
Any animation will be welcome, I’d love anything as we really are filling in gaps now
Marco Polo – unlikely and difficult, fills S1 fully, but it will be ready to go soon enough
Crusade – highly unlikely, maybe at the end of the prioritised and easier animations
Myth Makers – likely at some point, companion departure, and another for S3
Master Plan – a pipe dream that would be amazing, i can see them maybe if they ever did, doing a lot of work and possibly dropping mission to the unknown as the announcement for that on possibly a DW anniversary (23 Nov that is, not the years)
Massacre – likely soon, another one down for S3, and a companion intorduction
Savages – likely as well soon enough, companion exit as well
Smugglers – highly likely, rumoured and would make S4 viable with only one story not represented
Highlanders – difficult, but approachable given 3D animation and also has a companion introduction
Wheel in Space – likely, the only one excepting the difficult master plan that has an iconic villain, it completes cybermen and S5, and there are some assets available to do it, at least one completed 60s season would be great
Space Pirates – hard to say, episode recovery rumours which could be the delay for S6, or the fact theyre doing it and the collection team thought ah, let’s put it on there so hold it back -either way S6 is viable, but it could be a possibility that may benefit from animation.
I’d say the likeliest ones are Myth Makers, Massacre, Savages, Smugglers, Wheel in Space within the next five animations…
thanks @Gordon for your info, it’s probably smugglers in that case, which will be great to see, 5/6 60’s sets only having one partially represented story!
Rory
July 16th, 2024 - 3:35pmIf Shapeshifter do Myth Makers, I’d love to see them do it stylised to look a bit like ancient Greek art. I think the story could easily fit a less realistic art style.
Rex F
July 16th, 2024 - 5:35pmRory: I’m not a fan of the animations, but I would almost certainly buy that.
D84
July 16th, 2024 - 7:52pmExcellent info as always Gordon – it’s rare you get these things wrong.
I’ll take any animations to be fair, keen to get them all but acknowledge that is potentially a pipe dream
Looking forward to the next few announcements to see what we get.
I agree on the stance of 1x Animation and 1x colourisation – we know both are being worked on from leaks and sources and a complete admission from the teams involved at the previous announcements (Menace and Daleks in Colour)
Snowman
July 13th, 2024 - 7:13pmDoes anyone buy the Lee Binding Artwork Cards that are the same as the Artwork on these Blu-ray Collection Front Sleeves. Just wondered, as I had seen a few floating around on Ebay and some are Signed by there purspective Doctor. (Very Nice).
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 2:36pm@Snowman, I have not been able to find them, I would get them all if I could, or perhaps when each decade of Who is complete, they may do poster or artcards for each decade…? There’s a nice thought though!
Snowman
July 16th, 2024 - 3:29pmHello DPHill, if it’s ok with this site, Search on Ebay for a Guy called “Fantom on Ebay”. Here’s a Code for one of his Auctions, ” ebay.co.uk/itm/266674907540?” (With this link you should be able to find his other Art Card Auctions).
I managed to Get all Five of Tom Bakers Art Cards signed by the Great man himself and a Sylvester McCoy Art Card signed by Sylvester.
But I am still looking for Two Cards signed by Colin Baker, Two Signed by Peter Davison and one more Signed by Sylvester.
I put this comment on here hoping you Guys might point me in the right direction to get the last few Cards. (Or did Colin and Peter never sign these Lee Binding Art Cards?
Thanks for any help.
Snowman
July 16th, 2024 - 4:09pmOh, forgot to mention on Fantoms Site there’s also a lee Binding Art Card of Season 24 but it’s signed by Sophie Aldred.
DPHill
July 17th, 2024 - 1:33pm@Snowman thanks for that, I shall get searching now youve helped me, I recall Colin signing 23 m. Vague recollections of Peter doing 19 but I’m not sure
Gordon
July 12th, 2024 - 11:23pmNot doctor who related but very connected and very welcome
This has appeared on Australian website
Blake’s 7: Series 1 (Blu-Ray)
United Kingdom 1978 Genre: Sci-Fi & Fantasy
Blake’s 7 – One man’s freedom fighter
In Stores November 20 2024
Blake’s 7 was the hit BBC space opera launched in the wake of Star Wars, though with a grittier sensibility and produced on a fraction of the budget. Over 13 episodes the first series introduced freedom-fighter Blake (Gareth Thomas) as he escaped from the Orwellian Federation, gathered a crew of low-life rebels, salvaged an alien starship called the Liberator, and began striking back against the forces of Supreme Commander Servalan (sultry Jacqueline Pearce).
6 discs
https://b2b.madman.com.au/actions/catalogue.do?method=view&releaseId=72332
Great to hear some sort of confirmation even though it hasn’t been confirmed for the Uk I’d be suprised if it doesn’t get it. Russell Minton who heads up the doctor who collection range is said to be in charge of it which gives me hope it will be as good as the collection sets . There is rumoured to be new effects and commentaries and interviews at the least. Considering it’s listed as 6 discs I’m expecting it to be substantial.
D84
July 13th, 2024 - 7:14amI will be bagging a copy of that too
Love Blake’s 7 – very dark
Whofan44
July 13th, 2024 - 9:54amI wonder if in the UK these will be standard cases or limited edition packaging? Never seen Blake’s 7 but this would be a good chance to do it.
Lewis James
July 13th, 2024 - 1:29pmI am a massive fan of Blake’s 7, it’s my alternative go to whenever I fancy a little break from who. I’ve been hoping for years for a blu ray release in the UK as I think it’s way past time it had one, & has some great characters especially the late greats Paul Darrow as Avon & Jacqui Pearce as the deliciously villainous Servalan, their greatest roles I think & also I know everyone I speak too loves the series to this day it has quite a following, many of which are doctor who fans so fingers crossed it finally happens.
John T
July 13th, 2024 - 4:10pmI had heard that Isla Blair has recorded some new material for B7 so very pleased to hear about this. The series certainly deserves the full blu Ray treatment and I can only imagine the wealth of input that both Michael Briant and Mat Irvine can offer at their disposal to name but two. Such a pity that there was never a B7/Who crossover episode. The 4th Doctor and K9 working in tandem with Avon and Orac would have been great.
Ricky
July 14th, 2024 - 10:20amThanks for this info Gordon ,I’d heard rumours and something over on horizon also,but this is music to my ears.
Long awaited ,new effects and a full remaster is exactly what the show deserves ,bonafide classic that it is, I’m as excited by this as I am the collections, day one purchase for me
Gordon
July 14th, 2024 - 9:35pmAll I know is Blake’s 7 is getting “the collection treatment” whether that extends to having collection style artwork packaging or branding in he I don’t know. I’m also unsure if it will extend to having collection style extras like behind the sofa or in conversation. It will be interesting to see what’s on it. There wasn’t a massive amount of extras on the original DVDs. There has been a suggestion that some of the omnibus vhs might get included. There was 4 released in the mid 80s running to roughly 2 hours each.
1. The beginning: Featuring excerpts from the way back, space fall, Cygnus Alpha and time squad
2. Duel: Featuring excerpts from Seek–Locate–Destroy, Duel and Project Avalon.
3. Orac: Fraturing excepts from Deliverance, Orac and season 2 opener Redemption. There was also a 75 min omnibus version broadcasted in December 1978 of orac which only had footage from deliverance and orac.
4. Aftermath: featuring excerpts from Aftermath, Powerplay and Sarcophagus. Unlike the others which seem perfect fits for season 1 this is more likely for season 3 as all 3 episodes are from that season.
There are also the multi part making of that Kevin Jon Davies produced for the dvd’s. He never actually got to produced the 4th season as B7 enterprises didn’t feel they provided a proper tribute or fresh retrospective of the show so the documentaries were left unreleased except through YouTube. Kevin has teased something is happening with them so I expect they will be included this time around
Shaw, Philip
July 15th, 2024 - 4:27pmGreat News, love Blakes 7. Avon and Villa are such a superb partnership…
Auton
July 22nd, 2024 - 5:19pmHow likely, if the boxsets happen, would the two 90s radio plays of Blake’s 7 be released on a set?
Pete X
July 22nd, 2024 - 6:57pmI think very likely, given Slipback was included in the Season 22 set.
Gordon
July 22nd, 2024 - 7:18pmProbably on the season 4/season D set as it was set between star drive and animals
Anon
July 12th, 2024 - 6:24pmSnowman I’ve hosted watched my dimensions in time DVD again. Three versions.
1, the original transmission. Complete with noel Edmunds introduction and outros. Taken from a VHS the quality is fuzzy but watchable.
2, transmission edit. Removes the Edmunds sequences and adds original titles from different eras on episodes. Includes making of dimensions in same segment. Quality is good, not perfect but on my TV it looked good. There is a poor quality version of this on YouTube.
3, fan edit. This version adds sequences taken from new who (Kate lethbridge-Stewart from one of the game videos I think) and a rather silly comedy sketch that doesn’t really help the story improve! I’ve watched it twice but I think the best version is the transmission edit.
The basic fact is the story is preposterous but I don’t mind. The chance in 1993 to see old doctors and companions was great. Yes, not a great anniversary story but it is fun. Having read the lost in the dark dimension story I have to say that is very poor. Not a good story and rather insulting to the other doctors who essentially get minor cameos.
I’m pleased I bought the DVD as I’ve wanted one for since I finally got rid of my video of this story in 2004. 20 years later its just nice to have it again!
Anon
July 12th, 2024 - 6:30pmSorry meant to be a reply to a thread further down.
Babelbro
July 13th, 2024 - 4:37pm@Anon; sounds to me as your DVD was made using compressed VHS rips and/or Youtube uploads, given just about all of the material you’ve described is viewable online in very low picture and sound quality.
Until the BBC releases their full digital copy (recent and very first sample of it has been revealed on their own website) then our best bet of a lesser decent quality copy would be a direct rip of an original VHS – which in itself depends on age/use of the tape, etc.
Credit where it is due to Dimensions in Time – thanks in part to it being a Children in Need slot, it’s since today known for having received more live viewers in 1993 compared to the 50th anniversary in 2013 (I believe the difference is about a million viewers)
I believe historically it’s a massive moment in Doctor Who, regardless of the script and production it united not just previous actors and crew of the series but also many fans and casual viewers from across the first 26 years. I recently read Sophie Aldred’s article she wrote in 1993 for DWM on her feelings and emotions of returning for the special; Many many people that worked on the special had true passion to do it in the name of the show. There was clearly a national hype for it, despite how the reactions and reviews in the aftermath and over the last 30 years have turned out.
Samuel West’s television debut is also in Dimensions in Time. As an actor I rate him immensely well, and can honestly see him in a future Doctor Who or James Bond film. Against the odds, his portrayal of Siegfried in All Creatures Great and Small is utterly outstanding. Definitely one of my favourite British actors going today.
Lost in the Dark Dimension, was intended to be produced on a far greater scale to Dimensions, but the script was certainly unfair towards the parts of every Doctor that wasn’t Tom Baker. I fully respect Colin Baker’s feelings on it, and likewise I equally have respect for Philip Segal for standing his ground to keep Sylvester McCoy in the 1996 TV Movie, refusing to back down against the nonsensical idea of the higher ups insisting on Tom Baker be in the movie instead “because it’s Tom Baker, screw all canon logic”.
While there clearly was a lot that Dimensions in Time could’ve done differently, I get the feeling that overall there was an equal sense of inclusion for all returning actors involved, there was a sense of genuine enthusiasm going into it (Bonnie Langford has recently noted her working with Jon Pertwee as one of her highlights on her time in Doctor Who) from both inside and outside production, there was raw excitement towards the show briefly returning 4 years after being axed by the BBC.
The very idea of there being further unreleased footage, deleted scenes, behind the scenes for Dimensions, in finer picture and sound quality that we’ve ever seen before, unseen for 30+ years – yeah I’d certainly say there’s more than enough incentive to release it all on Blu-Ray (pending legal paperwork and costs)
Anon
July 13th, 2024 - 6:31pmBabelbro I would love an official release, though for me it would have to have a DVD release as well. The DVD I have is perfectly watchable and is far better than the online versions I’ve looked at but a nice official release would be great.
Babelbro
July 14th, 2024 - 3:10am@Anon, I presume you’re watching your DVD on your TVs – if so, generally modern TVs have very good image / pixel upscaling and will help improve any lower resolution video compared to a standard computer/laptop monitor without that technology. Especially DVDs being 576 pixel images, TVs today with built in upscaling tools do an amazing as is possible job on presenting them, and so long as you’re sitting at the recommended safe distance for your screen size, that in itself also disguises any lack of native detail, again compared with sitting at a computer screen.
The best looking available quality footage of Dimensions online on YouTube is that brilliant outtakes footage (Pertwee & Davison laughing/swearing at the takes going wrong). Everything else is literal mash potato mush, warpy sound quality. Not even Ai upscaling can work with any of it, as it currently exists in 2024.
After a ton of searching I also found a copy of Ian Levine’s Dimensions in Time ‘Extended Version’, of which, I assumed he’d have used the unseen recorded footage he personally keeps in storage (as he has this year claimed on a YouTube podcast) – Turns out, no – no new footage, in fact the existing footage he used was a doubly worse YouTube rip (whatever’s lower than 240p,180p to the human eye) with… a pixally mushy copy of the current EastEnders title sequence? Yeah I’ve no idea how Levine signed that off, especially given his previous experience on the Planet of Giants DVD.
It’ll be super ironic if, by the time (if) we finally see the BBC’s full digital master of Dimensions in Time, that the likes of Topaz Labs and various video Ai will have caught up and be as close to delivering a very good copy based on YouTube’s catalogue – that’s pure testament to how long fans have waited for this – as this forum and Twitter have made abundantly clear now, there’s ripe demand to see the rest of the digital master, based on how good and full of detail the new BBC snippet was.
For anyone searching for a screenshot of it and how Dimensions in Time should really properly look, I recommend Matthew Purchases’ Twitter.
Snowman
July 14th, 2024 - 11:05amBabelbro, I’ve had a Panasonic DMR-BWT700 “3D” Blu-Ray Recorder for years (Not Player) and it does similar to what you mention Modern TVs do, Upscaling the Picture to a much better Quality. I usually use it to play my Blu-rays on but interestingly when I play an old DVD on it the picture is Remarkable. It’s supposed to upscale DVDs to almost Blu-Ray Quality and I can testify the Difference in picture quality is Great. Not Quite Blu-Ray Quality but not far off. So if My Blu-Ray Recorder is Upscaling Picture Quality aswell as my TV (Which I didn’t know they do) No wonder my old DVDs look Fantastic.
Babelbro
July 15th, 2024 - 2:27am@Snowman that’s good to read.
I used to watch films on a ps3 on a CRT tv back in the day, and again, CRT screens, while often tiny, worked very well with lower resolution DVDs and video games (while as you say, early Blu Ray players offered upscaling. The ps3 did this too, but it was more of an option in a sub menu, of which I never ever decided to use).
The reason I emphasised today’s 4k TV’s is because the latest upscaling in of itself does a great job, from LGs to Blaupunkt 4k screens, they do a super job at eliminating jagged edges from image compression without knocking out image clarity and colour from the DVD picture. Compared to the tech that came before it, today upscaling like that is simply built in and set on default, delivering a good as possible image (so long as the rest of your personal TV picture settings are already done, etc).
By no means is any of these features a ‘fix’ for the very bad video file quality of Dimensions in Time that exists in the public domain, but would best explain how you are able to find some appreciation when playing it back on something that isn’t a computer or laptop screen.
Basil Funkenstein
July 11th, 2024 - 8:33pmRelease Schedule Predicition List.
2025 – Season 7 and Season 6
2026 – Season 16 and Season 21
2027 – Season 11 and Season 5
2028 – Season 1 and Wilderness Years/Season 13
2029 – Season 13/Wilderness Years and Season 4
2030 – Season 3
I would have put Season 13 last but I doubt they’d want to release 60’s era boxsets so close together. Also I’m not sure if they’ll do a Wilderness Years set and where that will slot in either but figured I’d add as a hypothetical.
I’m interested to see what other people think as well. Always enjoy hearing others predictions.
Prowl 1701
July 11th, 2024 - 10:15pmI just filmed a tier list for this myself, our lists are similar.
Prowl 1701
July 11th, 2024 - 10:15pmGreat minds thinking almost alike, lol.
GallifreyStands
July 12th, 2024 - 6:30amAt a guess the next release after S25 will be a Davison (s21) then that would complete
5, 6, 7 doctors eras – then it at least looks like The Collection is making progress to the end
Then a Pertwee
Shaw, Philip
July 12th, 2024 - 9:00amI agree with your 2025 prediction but the other way round. I think season 6 first then 7 later in the year…
Prof Horner
July 12th, 2024 - 10:27amThis schedule for 2025/26 agrees with the one I posted a few days ago. As for the rest I think think 1 will come out in 27 With 11. As I said before it all comes down to if or where The Wilderness years slots in. I would like to point out that if season 3 comes out last in 2030 , it is the year I get my state pension! Scary thought!
DPHill
July 12th, 2024 - 1:41pm@BasilFunkenstein, I think it’s a good assumption list, like @ProfHorner, I think 1 in 2027 too, @Prowl, I have to stop what I’m doing to watch it now!!
2025 – 7 & 6
2026 – 21 & 16(/13)
2027 – 1 & 11
2028 – 4 & 13(/16)
2029 – 5 & WY & 3
2030 – NuWho..?
I mean they have had several same decade sets next to each other though, 19&18, 22&26, 14&8, but only happened thrice!
Lewis James
July 12th, 2024 - 2:48pmSeason 21 next would be great & would also be nice to to have the 80s era complete. It would also give the teams time to solely focus on the remaining 70s & 60s sets as I know a lot of restoration work needs to be done on the majority of them, barr Tom’s remaining seasons. 16 definitely the next Tom I think as it will be so easy do as we’ve kind of already had 16 released as a box set on the key to time dvd set which I’ve just rewatched. I really hope we have a Mary Tamm tribute on the blu ray set though.
Prowl 1701
July 12th, 2024 - 4:04pm@DP Hill, my video should be the one that goes live at the usual time today. Patrons have it already, as I give them a little lead time n videos as a perk.
Prowl1701
July 12th, 2024 - 7:52pmI’m looking forward to season 16, as the film elements for the pirate Planet locationbwork still are held by the BBC.
Gordon
July 12th, 2024 - 11:34pmMy guess for the running order
2025: 7/21
2026: 6/16
2027: 1/11
2028 5/13/4
2029 3/wilderness
Hewy
July 16th, 2024 - 7:35amAnd if we throw in the rumoured purported NuWho remastered seasons?
Rory
July 16th, 2024 - 9:13am@Hewy, they’ve said several times that won’t consider NuWho until they’ve completed classic, so it wouldn’t impact when the remaining classic sets get released.
Gordon
July 16th, 2024 - 10:45amIf they were to do it would be after the classic sets are done. If i was doing it I’d place the episodes as such. Some of these might seem controversial but narratively I do feel it fits better though I don’t think any way the bbc will do it this way.
Series 1: rose to parting of the ways
Series 2: Christmas invasion to runaway bride (bride feels more of a s2 epilogue than a s3 prelude)
Series 3: smith and jones to the voyage of the damned (s3 finale leads into voyage)
Series 4: partners in crime to journey’s end
Specials: the next doctor to end of time
Series 5: the 11th hour to Christmas carol (carol fits better as an epilogue)
Series 6: the impossible astronaut to widow/wardrobe (widow feels more of an epilogue than a prologue)
Series 7: asylum of the daleks to time of the doctor
Series 8: deep breath to last Christmas (last Christmas is more of epilogue to 8)
Series 9: the magician’s apprentice to husbands of river song
Series 10: doctor mysterio to twice upon a time
Series 11: woman who fell to earth to resolution
Series 12: spyfall to revolution of the daleks
Series 13: flux to the giggle (power’s cliffhanger doesn’t fit as a season finale)
Season one: church at ruby road to empire of death
I can see it being 4 a year as the amount of restoration work wouldn’t be anywhere near the classic sets especially from planet of the dead onwards.
2030: 1/2/5/8
2031: 3/6/9/11
2032: 4/7/10/12
2033: 2009 specials/13/season one
Plus if you want to include spin offs not including the Australian k9 series:
2034: sja 1/tw 1/sja 2/tw 2
2035: sja 3/tw 3/sja 4/tw 4
2036: sja 5/class
DPHill
July 16th, 2024 - 11:14amI mean @Rory I take it with a pinch of salt and as it gets nearer we can see, they once said that spearhead will be the only classic who on a blu ray, then we got the movie and a long time later here we are, when something is a while a way, what they say is a little vague, I can see any wilderness and season 3 issues maybe forcing them to begin nuwho early,
James
July 16th, 2024 - 12:39pmGordon, would series 7 include all the 50th anniversary stuff?
Be nice to do a Collection set for all the specials As Tennant is part of them. So have 2009/10 specials, 50th Anniversary (name, day, time, night) , bbc 100th and 60th trilogy.
Have end of time as an omnibus version aswell as its 2 parts, could include classic stories to tie in: Web of Fear/Abominable connects with Name, Terror of the Zygons with Day, celestial toymaker with the Giggle, invasion of time/three doctors with End of Time, Logopolis and Survival with Power of the Doctor. Just a thought
James
July 16th, 2024 - 1:22pmThen regarding SJA and Tochwood. Could just update the boxsets.
The Sarah Jane AdventuresThe Complete Collection. The Pilot, Series 1-5, all the behind the scenes, deleted scenes, making of and all the other stuff tfrom the dvd sets transfered over but upscalled to blu ray where possible. Behind the Sofa with cast and New Who cast, The Time Warrior ( sj first appearance) and the Hand of Fear (sj last app), k9 and company, The School Reunioin, stolen earth/journeys end, the 2 audio adventures ghosts of n space/paradise of death, sja the reunion.have the 2 parts as omnibus editions aswell as singular.
Torchwood The Complete Collection. Series 1 and 2, children of Earth, miracle day, all the behind the scenes, deleted scenes, making of stuff transfered over but upscalled to Blu Ray. Behind the sofa with cast (minus JB im guessing). Then added doctor who eps empty child-parting of the ways, utopia-last of the timelords, stolen earth/journeys end, fugitives of the judo on, revolution of the daleks. Could do children of earth/miracle day as omnibus stories or maybe 2 parters.
Maybe include Torchwoods origins so Tooth and Claw episode?
The other thought of not doing season sets for New series Who but doing Doctor sets. 1-4 been done already so would just need repackaged, then series 5-7 Matt Smith, 8-10 Peter Capaldi, 11-13(Flux)and Power of the Doctor Jodie Whittaker. Say this as they have not long been out as dvd/blu ray box sets anyway. Be something different and new.
This could be done years down the line for classic who. Not in limited packaging but like the standard versions but in nice boxes. As each season can fit in the regualr size blu ray boxes so be less space compared to the standard versions. Again be something new and different. By then we may have all the missing eps recovered (big wish I know) or at least animated. Maybe even the completed stories colourized and not shortened.
Gordon
July 16th, 2024 - 1:27pmBear in mind it took a change in management twice to get blu ray collection releases going dphill. Russell is still very much in charge. So I don’t think the stance will change. As far as I’m aware it hasn’t been discussed internally, when it’s season 3 and wilderness times come like season 2 it will be released as is.
Yes James I included the 50th anniversary as part of s7 as I feel name day and time all connect together. You would include all the 50th anniversary stuff as part of s7
DPHill
July 17th, 2024 - 11:59am@Gordon, I agree with your point, I know they e changed teams a bit, but never say never with doctor who, I think you’re likely right about all classic first, and whatever state they’re in, I just think that when we get there they’ll have to see,
I’m surprised you’d move some of the Christmas specials, but technically they’re focusing on main series and it’s content, K9 & company was on 18 despite it being under part of the production for 19
Would they be able to do SJA and Class and TW3 in such small sets though? Maybe TW series one and two with 3-4 in one? Class with S10 and a two part collection for SJA. I think the Jodie one will be up to power, and maybe they’ll reinclude power on a 60th set as there’s the colourisation, tales, docs, unleashed and specials that would fill up a set nicely I feel. I agree on perhaps tennant having only his specials as a set, it would be hard to get them on 4
@James, I think both SJA and TW have such a wealth of material if they did collection style sets it wouldn’t fit very easily alongside new material, I did post a breakdown a while ago for SJA, shall I see if I can find it?
DPHill
July 17th, 2024 - 12:01pmOh sorry @James, just noticed you’d said not in the limited boxes, be nice if they all were though and perhaps feels more fitting giving the whoniverse rebranding… one can only speculate and hope 🙂
Babelbro
July 11th, 2024 - 2:26am@Gordon – it’s 2am, and your mention of the BBC website recently showcasing fresh quality footage from Dimensions in Time has just left me feeling very, very intrigued.
You described the footage to include Bonnie Langford’s scenes, so presumably Langford, Children in Need (and anyone else specific legally required to clear the footage, that worked on her scenes on production, though some say would require the entire surviving production) to have produced an official agreement in writing – which, based on past claims, must also mean that all required costs have also been fully covered to use that Dimensions footage.
Dimensions in Time is notoriously known for being immensely difficult, if impossible to arrange financial and/or legal clearance in terms of distribution outside of the original transmission contract. For this to have been done, for the sheer effort to have been made to officially show even the smallest snippet online – I don’t want to jinx it in any shape or form, dare to dream and all that.
Whoever got that footage cleared, I really want to buy them a beer right now, badly.
Babelbro
July 11th, 2024 - 10:38amFollow up: Have just watched the online snippet footage on the BBC website, including raw frame screenshots from the video.
Considering the footage has already gone through two encoding generations, running on a reduced bitrate for stream purposes – the picture quality is crystal clear. Far more colour, far more detail including videotape artefacts that would usually be only noticeable on the recent Doctor Who Blu-ray Collections – it seriously looks that good.
I can’t help but wonder why the BBC wouldn’t want to, or have ever previously considered uploading the remainder of Classic Eastenders (1985-2007) in this same image quality except that for whatever contractual reason they are waiting for UK Drama’s channel to reach 2008, where BBC iPlayer’s own catalogue begins (UK Drama, ironically is at about 2007-08 as I write this, according to their website).
Still… I never ever imagined we would realistically get to see Dimensions in Time visually look this good ever again based on how impossible the paperwork side of things has sounded for decades.
Bellal
July 11th, 2024 - 11:50am@ Babelbro
I’m looking for the clip, do u happen to have the link ?
Rex F
July 11th, 2024 - 3:09pmhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/articles/cmmq99788eeo
It’s 19 seconds, probably called up from the digitised CiN master on a server and put out under fair use/dealing. If you see a clip over 30 secs, then you can get excited (not a word usually linked to DiT).
DPHill
July 11th, 2024 - 4:00pm@Bellal if you type in Bonnie Langfords picks from the archives then it should come up and it’s nearer the bottom of that page, you’ll be amazed!
D84
July 11th, 2024 - 4:16pmWow that has cleaned up well
Far clearer than the versions i have watched of DIT on YouTube
I’d love for it top be included on a theoretical Wilderness Years set
Bellal
July 11th, 2024 - 4:45pmCheers Babelbro
I have to say its cleaned up brilliantly, would indeed be great to see on bluray.
Just so happy to see “Madam, what year is thwis?” looking that clear!
Rex F
July 11th, 2024 - 5:10pmIt doesn’t need cleaning up, it was shot and stored digitally.
Anon
July 11th, 2024 - 7:32pmIt wasn’t shot digitally. It was shot in 3d but not digital 3d this was 1993 digital filming was a long way off.
Rex F
July 11th, 2024 - 9:42pmI should have been clearer, it was recorded onto digital tape, as the BBC were into D3 by then. So no analogue editing with additional analogue tape artefacts, just 1s and 0s all the way.
Things that go bump in the night
July 10th, 2024 - 2:51pmWhat’s the typical production run of these limited sets?
Reason I ask is that Amazon product page is showing 4,000+ units bought in the last month (well even though the website says ‘last month’ it is really since 4th July).
If the other retail sites, such as the one with the dog, are doing 4k+ pre-orders too, it looks like this set could sell out on pre-orders long before the release date?
Didn’t know season 25 was so popular…
Thanks
Snowman
July 10th, 2024 - 6:01pmI love Season 25, there’s some Good Stories, I loved TGSITG and the Happiness Patrol on First Viewing live in the 80s and you can’t go wrong with Dalek and Cybermen Stories. Theirs also some Superb Villians. And I mean who doesn’t love the Kandyman?
Jake E
July 10th, 2024 - 6:08pmI was always under the impression roughly 10,000 but it may be higher nowadays.
Season 12 First print was 5,000 and second print was 5,000. But I could be wrong
Rex F
July 10th, 2024 - 8:06pm10k to 12k is what’s usually mentioned, and no one’s come out to contradict that. We know that not everyone is collecting all the releases though, so whether they tweak things or not would be interesting to hear – S26 sold out and isn’t the most common resale, S24 still warms the shelves even with regular significant discounts.
Gordon
July 10th, 2024 - 11:06pmI heard 16k but also told it wasn’t that
Rex F
July 11th, 2024 - 3:14pmThey could have bumped it to 16k as a test perhaps? It would explain the shelf warmers.
Tom Williams
July 9th, 2024 - 8:53pmMight already been mentioned but season one steelbook and season 25 blu ray via the app can get a 15 pound discount till 23d off August
AfricanQueen
July 10th, 2024 - 3:42pmWhich app is that?
Tom Williams
July 10th, 2024 - 5:00pmI commented Amazon but the reply was removed
AfricanQueen
July 10th, 2024 - 7:28pmThank you
Prof Horner
July 9th, 2024 - 1:18pmSo as seems likely that we are going to get two season boxsets a year. How will a the proposed Wilderness years slot in to the release schedule? Will it come at the very end with I assume season 3.
If we have 6 and 7 next year , with maybe 16 and 21 the following year. Maybe 1 and 11 in 2027. 5 and 13 in 28. Then the rest in 29/30.
So where does Wilderness years slot in?
The DR.
July 9th, 2024 - 2:43pmI don’t think anyone knows Prof, It’s pure Guesswork. After everyone’s had a Guess your still none the wiser.
Craig F
July 9th, 2024 - 6:23pmSeason one will probably be last due to the rights issue, unless Seth C passes sooner!
MIKK89
July 9th, 2024 - 7:38pmThere is a Possibilty that by then, as The Group had stated they were interested in giving New Who (2005-2022) could be next as they could look into not only digging through the archives for each Series but new extras might be interesting (Series One with a Christopher Eccleston In Conversation – As the ones I have seen with Matthew Sweet do show the issues raised during their respective eras, might be a fascinating watch) Include the TARDISodes and Trails and TV Spots from Series 2…, and even though there aren’t many reasons to upgrade Special Effects, imagine all Multi-Parters have an option to watch as Broadcast or in a Collection Exclusive Feature Length Version)
anon
July 9th, 2024 - 7:47pmRose and aliens of london/world war three from series 1 could really do with a CG makeover for starters when the new series sets come through.
Prowl1701
July 9th, 2024 - 9:45pmEnd of the world could use some new effects too
DPHill
July 9th, 2024 - 10:30pmI mean it’s up for grabs really as to when, could be 2026 for thirty years of McGann, or 2029/30 for 40 years since wilder began? Either way mcgann seems to have some conversation about the collection, however small
Gordon
July 10th, 2024 - 12:59amIf the 2005 series were to happen it would be after the classic series is completed. That includes the potential wilderness years set. If the wilderness years set were to happen it probably wouldn’t need a huge amount of restoration work unless the original movie film negatives were found. Looking at that 20 second clip of Bonnie that was on the bbc site dimensions looks in very good condition if it gets cleared for release. Most of the work will be on clearances and creating new features which are done quite a bit in advance. Rest of it is archival material which probably just needs digitised and a slight audio tweaks, Can see it being released as a 3rd release one year.
Prowl 1701
July 10th, 2024 - 6:27amI wonder if they would try to get any of the reeltime, or bbv spin-offs on their sets as they were big during that time. Return to devil’s end and stuff like that. I wonder just what all they could get, as that era really is bursting with potential materiel.
DpHill
July 10th, 2024 - 10:53amI mean it would be very interesting, because without the reeltime and bbv there would be a bough material for a decent 8 disc set including the new stuff generated,
Depends what would be clearance and if possible, and also not sure about how much would be or how many would like it? I for one would love it! Also wartime could have been on a McCoy if they were going down that road, also depends on if the dvd special features would all go on them or just that feature with new features
With all features
1 disc – wartime chronicles (has quite a lot packed in there) + return to devils end
1 disc – downtime (also a fair bit) + shakedown
1 disc – probe 1-4 (not really many special features on these)
1 disc – autom trilogy & cyberon
1 disc – mindgama saga
1 disc – daemons rising and maybe zygon?
1 disc – the stranger…?
I wouldn’t know whether they’d put the later reeltime stuff on here of later on…
If it was barebones then I’d say 2-3 disc but with all their features it’s about 6 discs so May then need to split wilderness years set – which I don’t think they’d like to do unless Richard w grant was the doctor on the later wilderness set and Paul McGann on the early wilderness?
I won’t get my hopes up on the unofficial spin offs just yet! It’s a fun thought tho!
Bellal
July 10th, 2024 - 1:31pmMaybe an “official” boxset with dimensions if possible, the movie, curse of fatal death, shalka, and all additional material as one set. Could then do an “unofficial” wilderness one separate with what can get cleared.
Probably will never see reeltime, bbv, etc. But would be great!
Gordon
July 11th, 2024 - 4:03amI think we might get clips from the likes of bbv and realtime but I doubt we will get the full things. Shakedown might be an exception with it being owned by big finish. I can see it being crammed with just archival bbc content and newly produced material and not having much space for much bbv or realtime . This is what I kind of see a wilderness years being if everything is clearable
Disc one: the wilderness years documentary. A brand newly produced feature length feature covering as much ground as possible from 89-05 90 min -2 hours
Extras: new! The writers room season 27. in conversation: Alan Yentop
any archive content from 89-92 so search out space from 90, Tony Slattery‘s cult heroes radio documentary (if it still exists) from 91, reistance is futile from 92, any blue Peter themed appearances (there is a at least 1 segment from 91 that was who related) the wilderness years documentary (from the tv movie special edition),
Disc 2: 1993
Thirty years in the tardis (transmitted version)
More than 30 years in the tardis (vhs version)
Extras: newly produced for this release: dark dimension feature, more than 30 years in the tardis revisited,
planet of the daleks repeat mini features, rock n roll years 1963 (it’s probably not clearable to do the whole thing so just the doctor who bit), any other 1993 bbc appearances that exist, 1993 mastermind doctor who specialist subject, Nicholas Courtney radio documentary 30 years, the paradise of death radio show (if not on season 11)
Disc 3: 93-96 dimensions in time
Extras: newly produced for this release: 5.1 mix, commentary, production subs, Extended version, making of, behind the sofa, rushes (I believe there is a significant amount), deleted and alternative scenes, pudsey who: look back at various doctor who appearances throughout the years
Jon pertwee Noel Edmond’s house party clip
Children in need links, tomorrow’s world feature, any other cin material. The movie game (95 game show that had a one off segment about doctor who vhs releases hosted by John barrowman), verity lambert January 1996 talking points appearance. John pertwee death news reports, ghosts of n space (if not on s11), shakedown. Any blue Peter connected appearances
Disc 4-6 1996: tv movie
Absolute pipe dream this but if they can get their hands on the original reels remastered from the original film reels with new fx with
Newly produced extras for this release: 5.1 mix, new commentary with Eric Roberts, Daphne ashbrook, yee Jee Tso, location making of, behind the sofa, in conversations with Paul mcgann, Eric Roberts, Daphne ashbrook, Jee Jee Tso and philip Segal. The doctor’s table, the 8th doctor on audio overview, The writers room the unmade McGann series. Film rushes (if available) deleted/extended scenes (if available)
Uk and Us broadcast edits, original dvd features, animated shada (narratively should appear later in the box set but fits better here). Night of the doctor. I do want to make 1 exception to no bbv with bidding adieu which I feel is essential.
Disc 7: 1997-2000
Curse of fatal death:
Newly produced extras: Fatal death revisited, commentary, behind the sofa, vhs documentary, Red Nose who: overview discussing various rnd features over the years, film rushes if available, deleted scenes if available
Destiny of the doctors links, of Doctor who night 1998 links, doctor who night 99 links, adventures in space and time documentary, the pitch of fear, the web of caves and kidnappers skits and other doctor who night1999 featurettes, whatever you want show had people wanting to win a tardis, blue peter connected appearances from this period (there are a couple from 98-99 at least) generation game footage from episode October 2000 that featured memorabilia and Colin in costume
Disc 8 2001- 2002
Death comes to real time
Real time
Newly produced features: documentary covering the making of the bbci animation’s. Behind the sofas
Jon culshaw 2001 The Secret of Germany v England short and other Tom skits, k9 and company finest failures, Michael grade 101 appearance, the wire: regenerations radio documentary with Sophie Aldred,
Disc 9: 2003-2004
Scream of the shalka
Newly produced extras: commentary with Richard e grant, in conversation with Richard e grant, behind the sofa
Shalka dvd extras, the story of doctor who, Colin baker 2003 top gear appearance, alchemists of sound radiophonic workshop 2003 radio documentary, reboot announcement news, blue Peter connected appearances, 2004 colin baker weakest link appearance, 2004 mastermind specialist subject, Anything after 1 January 2005 (the first teaser) can go in a potential series 1 collection release
Disc 10: bonus material not fitting elsewhere
Doctor forever 5 part series, who Peter part 2, keeper of traken and 4 to doomsday footage and anything else that has turned up that goes on seasons that have already been released.
The tales of the tardis opening/closing links
DPHill
July 11th, 2024 - 4:11pmIt would be a shock to see it, and a nice surprise, but could be done, I mean times wise look:
The Stranger (6 episodes, 300 min approx)
PROBE (4-5 episodes, 235-285 min app.)
Auton Trilogy (3 ep, 160m)
Dr Lauren Anderson (2 ep, 115m)
BBVtotal – 15-16 episodes, 800-850 minutes
Reeltime is about 320 min, including Shakedown, and including the other two is 570min
Reeltime generally has a wealth of special features and BBV not so much so with a couple new ones, it’s definitely packed in material, if they’d ever do it, unlikely, but if they did, I’d love for them to call it something like “The Collection: Deeper Wilderness”
DPHill
July 12th, 2024 - 3:55pmSorry your comment came up after I had posted @Gordon, it’s a really great set layout, and I think if they just went barebones and had the bbv reeltime stuff on its own and perhaps Minimal making ofs, I think you’d be have a huge set. Also due to the nature of the footage I don’t know how much remastering in true he can be done, so the discs will likely able to hold a bit more than usual due to their low quality
Unlikely Deeper Wilderness collection:
Disc 1 – Wartime Chronicles
Old – 5 hr 7 m
Wartime Original
Wartime Revised (-adding 5m)
ReUNITed
In depth making of Wartime (I think there’s 5 chapters to it)
Katy Manning Introduction
Jon Pertwee and UNIT live on stage
Return to Devil’s End
New: photo gallery, scripts, isolated scores, trailers, behind the sofa?, new wartime featurette
Disc 2 – The Stranger #1-4
Old: 4 hr 5 m
Summoned by Shadows
More Than a Messiah
In Memory Alone
The Terror Game
Making Of Summoned by Shadows
Making of More than a Messiah
Making of In Memory Alone
Outtakes
Video Diary of The Terror Game
New: photo gallery, scripts, isolated scores, behind the sofa maybe as a compilation or just one or two (summoned and memory)?, new who is the stranger featurette for eps 1-4, Benton featurette, trailers
Disc 3 – Shakedown (& The Stranger #4-5)
Old: 5 hr ish
Breach of the Peace
Eye of the Beholder (Including original two part versions adding only about 7m)
Shakedown: Return of the Sontarans
Making of Shakedown
BOTP cast interview, outtakes, extended scenes
EOTB cast interview and outtakes
The Airzone Solution
New: photo gallery, scripts, trailers, isolated scores, behind the sofa maybe for one or both stranger but definitely for shakedown, new Solomon the stranger featurette for eps 5-6/7, new shakedown featurette, sontaran featurette
Disc 4 – PROBE
Old: 5 hr 12m
The Zero Imperative
Deleted Scene
The Devil of Winterborne (Including original two part versions adding only about 7m)
Unnatural Selection
Ghosts of Winterborne
When to Die
New: photo gallery, scripts, trailers, isolated scores, probe featurette, liz featurette, behind the sofa (maybe of one or a compilation of them), mark gatiss interview
Disc 5 – 1995: Downtime
Old: 2 hr 34 m
Downtime
Behind the Lens
Post Production
New: Downtime updated Effects, photo gallery, script, trailers, isolated scores, new making of looking at this episodes doctor who callbacks, Keith Barnfather In conversation, behind the sofa
Disc 6 – Auton Trilogy (& Cyberon)
Old: 4hr 55m
Auton
Sentinel
Awakening
Making of Auton
Making of Auton 2
Auton Diaries 1998 & 2005
Cyberon
New: scripts, photo galleries, trailers, isolated scores, behind the sofa for Auton trilogy, New auton trilogy doc examining auton trilogy, updated effects?? Cyberon featurette
Disc 7 – Mindgame Saga & Dæmos Rising
Old: 4hr 8m
Mindgame
Battle Field
Scout Ship
Prisoner 451
Dæmos Rising
Mindgame script
Kent’s cavern
Making music
Making Ofs for all
Slideshows
Retrospectives
Guy Leopold Speaks!
Interviews
New: all scripts, trailers, isolated scores, behind the sofa for Dæmos, Kate featurette
Disc 8 – 2003/2008: Zygon (BBV mop up disc)
Old: 4hr 44m
Zygon: When Being You Just Isn’t Enough
Stranger than Fiction
Stranger than Fiction II script to screen
Stranger than Fiction III acting up
Bidding adieu
Do you have a license to save this planet?
30 years of Time Travel and Beyond…
New: zygon feature, photo gallery, script, trailer, music track
Disc 8 – White Witch of Devils’ End
Disc 9 – Sil & the Devil Seeds of Arodor
Both are pretty much up to date and have their own blu rays for d9-10, so I’d just include photo galleries, scripts, music tracks if missing, and a behind the sofa on each, with a Sil and Dæmons featurette, also maybe a Nichola Beiggs in conversation on the last disc
Would have had Bill Baggs but not after his recent behaviours
This is the set alongside wilderness that lives rent free in my head!!
DPHill
July 12th, 2024 - 3:56pmAlso @gordon return to shads could go on it couldnt it? The actually wilderness set!m of course
Gordon
July 13th, 2024 - 12:23amI listed the return to shada with all the tv movie extras. I know narratively it fits later on in the box set but I feel it fits best there.
That deeper wilderness looks about right. I would buy that. It would probably never happen. The realtime material certainly is more likely than bbv. Keith is in good terms with the collection team. All the previous history of cease and desists and recent actions, questionable hirings and lawsuits connected with bill baggs could make the bbc give him and most of his work a wide berth. Thats before you take into account there are an enormous list of people that were involved with some of those features who are not on good terms with him. The likes of Colin and nicola were owed substantial money and have less than kind words for bill. Nicholas briggs, mark gattis and various other people are also people not on good terms over lack of payment and other issues,
Whofan44
July 8th, 2024 - 12:58pmSo regarding a possible Wilderness years set do we think Dimensions in Time could be included now? I know that previously there has always been issues with releasing it due to agreements made at the time but I feel something may have changed.
Not only has an image of the 3rd Doctor from the story been used in Rogue but a scene from it has been posted on the BBC website in the article “Bonnie Langford’s picks from the Doctor Who Archive”. I don’t recall the BBC ever having posted clips from the story before which makes me think something regarding the stories distribution may have change which gives me hope of it being released on blu-ray
Rory
July 8th, 2024 - 5:10pmThe version we have is so fuzzy and pixelated that it’s impossible to tell what’s going on.
To be fair, it was always impossible to tell what was going on.
DPHill
July 8th, 2024 - 5:43pm@Whofan44 I am with you on that, we have now got two rare American docs only previously broadcast or vhs, none on dvd (that s25 making of dr who and s20 once upon a time lord) so it could be possible, that with rights to the Rani also being noticeable seem as she has been mentioned, just don’t know if the charity part of it holds up or if they have found a way to donate through profits? Id love to tell what is going on though in it in both senses on picture and plot @Rory
Rex F
July 8th, 2024 - 6:01pmWas Rogue using literally an image? Because a still, or still with a bit of animation, would be under different agreements – you could even license a still for a project you were working on yourself.
The clip use is interesting, but it’s extremely brief (19s) so probably just under fair use. What it does look like though is that people are no longer trying to pretend that it doesn’t exist. (They’ve realised that no amount of wishing will make that happen!)
Rex F
July 8th, 2024 - 6:44pmRory: Ha! You’re not wrong there…
For anyone who does want a good (technically speaking…) copy, there are people out there who can help you out. There are even proper, good Who fans who won’t ask for money.
Whofan44
July 8th, 2024 - 8:34pmYour right that the clip could have been done under fair use but I feel like there is more going on given that they just randomly start acknowledging it
Anon
July 8th, 2024 - 9:43pmThe deal to get dimensions in time made stated it would never be released commercially that hasn’t changed. Curse of fatal death had an agreement to release a VHS tape but it was a one off deal meaning no future release in any other format.
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 10:12pmIt looks in really good condition as well which might be a positive sign.
Gordon
July 9th, 2024 - 8:03amRichard bignell said that extremely high clearance cost is the biggest hurdle with an official release these days rather than the whole never getting a physical release thing
Rob
July 9th, 2024 - 9:20amIf RTD team could get it cleared for iplayer, then that might lead the way for media.
Snowman
July 9th, 2024 - 12:49pmThere’s a rather nice DVD copy of “Dimensions in Time” on Ebay at the Moment. The Sleeves Designed to look like all the other Dr Who DVDs in the collection.
Anon
July 9th, 2024 - 3:34pmIt’s good snowman, curse of fatal death and mission are great too
DPHill
July 9th, 2024 - 10:28pmJust be careful it ain’t a cyber devil cover by Matthew purchase as someone has been selling his work recently on eBay
The Unlicensed Physician
July 10th, 2024 - 12:25amSo how much are people paying now for someone to remove their copy of DiT? l’d charge the price of a wasp nest removal for a VHS, and the price of a killer bee removal for a DVD-R, ‘cos those things reproduce easily and I’d want danger money.
Snowman
July 10th, 2024 - 5:49pmAnon, I just bought the “Dimensions in time” DVD yesterday. I couldn’t resist when I saw he had made the Sleeve to fit in with the rest of my Classic Dr Who DVD collection. I just hope the Picture is DVD Quality and not (VHS). Ill have to check out the other Two stories you mentioned. I noticed he had a Copy of “Wheel in Space” aswell that I was more than tempted with. The Cover looks Great also and they all fit in with the Classic DVDs.
Anon
July 10th, 2024 - 7:02pmSnowman, the quality is okay but it is of course taken via a VHS copy. The disc has three edits if dimensions on and frankly I’ll take the picture quality in order just to have it. Curse has two versions of the story and the VHS making of. Mission features the uclan version in b+w, an animation and a reconstruction. Wheel is worth it if only to replace the CD version. It’s a full reconstruction using the existing episodes, clips and the cybermen are CGI reconstructions. I’m very happy with it and it will do me fine until we get an animation (hopefully)
Rex F
July 10th, 2024 - 8:12pmSnowman: Surely it has to be VHS quality as that’s where the off-airs come from. I don’t think there’s anything better leaked out, nor even an S-VHS recording.
Anon
July 10th, 2024 - 8:26pmSnowman and rex, it’s video quality, it is what it is. But it’s better than nothing and it’s perfectly watchable.
Snowman
July 11th, 2024 - 11:57amI’ll be fine with the DVD of “Dimensions in Time”. I just hoped the Picture Quality was fairly Decent that’s all. I wasnt Expecting 4K Ultra HD as it hasnt ever been Officially released.(The only thing that really bothered me was a comment from someone that had an old copy and it was “Heavily Pixelated, Distorted and Virtually unwatchable”. So I’m not sure where there Copy came from)?
Snowman
July 11th, 2024 - 12:01pmIt’s “Rory”, Second comment down on this Thread. (I’ve just checked).
Anon
July 11th, 2024 - 1:50pmVersion I’ve got is fine. Obviously vhs copy but watchable.
Rex F
July 11th, 2024 - 3:20pmI’ve still got my VHS, but only because the tape has good stuff after it. I’m amazed I bothered to record part two to be honest, and I can clearly remember taking down a 30th anniversary poster out of embarrassment after part one.
Rory
July 11th, 2024 - 5:09pm@Snowman, I was commenting on the YouTube version with all of the Noel Edmonds faff included, and making a joke about the skit being incoherent.
I definitely haven’t paid anyone money to send me a copy of DiT.
Anon
July 11th, 2024 - 7:43pmLast year and earlier this year I bought a lot of stuff that was unofficial. Stuff I would not normally have hone near but it was all stuff I wanted, some of it for years.
On DVD I bought all of the missing stories as reconstructions (at the time no more animations seemed a strong possibility) and even though almost as soon as i watched the last one underwater and toymaker were announced I don’t mind as I can’t listen to audio anymore so the DVDs are perfect until I get the animations (if they do them all.) I also bought dimensions in time, and yes, its terrible but I still wanted it and I bought curse of fatal death as it is one I wanted too.
And then there were books as well. I got the 5 New Zealand fan club books which I bought back in 2000 and which i still have, but i got proper target book versions. Alongside them I got as target books, lost in the dark dimension, curse of the daleks (script in target book style), the iron legion (novelisation of the comic strip), the final game (adaptation of the final 3rd doctor master story), trial of a time lord (blue spine omnibus edition) and dimensions in time. All unofficial and I normally would not have supported this type of thing but these are all items I wanted so I bought them.
Snowman
July 14th, 2024 - 11:36amAswell as buying The Guys “Dimensions in Time ” DVD, I’ve Caved in and bought “Highlanders” and “The Daleks Master Plan” aswell. I should imagine I’ll buy all the Missing Episodes but I thought I’ll buy a Couple First and see what the Picture and Sound Quality is like. Should be awhile be I get them though, i think estimated delivery is 3 to 5 Days.
Snowman
July 19th, 2024 - 3:24pmMy three Custom Classic Dr Who Style DVDs came this morning There Great and they fit in lovely on the Shelf with my other Classic Dr Who DVDs. The actual Discs are even printed with the same Photos as the Cover has. Looks very professional.
Anon
July 20th, 2024 - 12:37amI’ve got them all snowman and they are really good. The only one that is weak in terms of quality is space pirates and it’s not the DVD that faulty but the original reconstruction that’s at fault. Sometimes as photos change you get pixels at the edges of the screen. I know by looking at reactors on YouTube that they have the same issue going back in some cases over 6 years so it must be a generational fault on the original reconstruction rather than a DVD fault. Even with the pixels the reconstruction is very good.
Prof Horner
July 8th, 2024 - 11:26amIs the view that season 7 will come before 6? Certainly 7 should only need 5 or 6 discs . Where as 6 would probably need at least 8 or 9. I probably asked this before, but how many episodes can you get on a blu ray disc, I am thinking of The Invasion with 8 episodes and The War Games with 10 episodes. Surely they can’t have all those episodes plus the extras on one disc? I am thinking an eighth disc for The Invasion and War Games extras and disc nine for bonus features for season 6 .
Season 7 coming out in next spring and 6 in Autumn of next year. With The Wheel in Space coming out in animation as well.
D84
July 8th, 2024 - 12:25pmI would love Wheel in Space to come as an Animation – but current rumours suggest the next animation could be “Smugglers”
I would imagine whenever the S7 set happens it will be at least 6 discs.
The bulk of extra’s will likely be homed onto the Spearhead disc plus at least 1 disc reserved just for extras (all my own guess)
We have been hearing that S6 may be coming for a fair while – at least a year possibly 18 months whereas any news of S7 has only just started.
I would guess the next B&W set to come will be S6 with a stills representation of Space Pirates – but that may not be the “next” set
Lewis James
July 8th, 2024 - 3:31pmI really hope season 7 is within the next couple of releases as it’s by far my favourite Pertwee season & Inferno is all time favourite Pertwee story by far. Also looking forward to Pat Troughton coming to blu ray having just done a completed run on dvd with all the current animations now in place. Hopefully season 21 my favourite Davison will be within the next 3-4 releases & cannot wait for the all singing, all dancing special extended updated special effects version of my fave silvester story, remembrance of the daleks. Exciting times ahead for us classic fans I’d say.
DPHill
July 8th, 2024 - 5:39pmI think with new features as usual 9 disc is a safe bet maybe even 10, if that’s feasible, one disc per story with invasion and war games having two, and new features can go spare space there, and if there are still too many features, disc 10, I think they aren’t gonna go small anymore, 20 having 9 and 25 having 8, with S7, I think 7 disc minimum – the seven parters all having two disc, even possibly spearhead as well as it is a beginning of a grand era, maybe extra stuff may easily go on that, or as bonus disc 8. They’ll probably put everything possible for both those seasons as they’re highly regarded! I also bet 21 will be definitely 8 disc, caves maybe having two…
Rex F
July 8th, 2024 - 7:09pmYou can get around 180 mins at max bitrate on a BD50, and as 4:3 ratio material is 25% black bar then you can get equal quality results (to a widescreen source) for nine episodes. Two discs each for Invasion and War Games doesn’t seem like an impossibility though, with a Space Pirates disc also being the bonus disc (there’s never gonna be a need for an updated disc there). The big b&w more expensive Season 2 was the first sell out in an age, so I don’t think S6 is one where they’d need to cut corners.
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 11:17pm6,7 and 21 are the next 3 I’ve been told with 7 coming first then 6 and finally 21 to take us into 2026. Richard bignell has said that order is news to him which suggests it might not be the case.
You should be able to fit the entirety of the invasion or war games on a single disc but I can see them needing a 2nd disc each for the extras. They might even use the space pirates disc to fit more extras from those stories that might keep the discs down slightly. 6 will probably be an 8/9 discs
As for 7 I can see spearhead getting 2 discs. The spearhead blu ray already has almost 200 minutes of hd content and that’s before you take into account there will be additional extras (30 mins behind the sofa and potentially other features) and there is also going to be the dvd extras. Probably benefits from 2 discs. I can see some of the 7 parters getting 2 discs. Maybe ambassadors might get 1 depending on how much new features it gets as the dvd was pretty light on extras (only 30 mins that are portable to ambassadors: 25 minutes making of/90 sec trailer/4 min photo gallery). The other feature tomorow’s times will get moved to planet of the spiders. Alternatively they could treat the 2nd ambassadors as it’s extra disc. Inferno will need 2 as like other stories like colony in space there will be 2 restorations. Silurians has nearly 90 minutes of extras already so I can see to going to 2 discs. Could be 7-8 discs. I’m actually all for the 7 parters to have the episodes on 1 disc to give the best bit rate and the extras on a 2nd disc
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 11:23pmDo want to also mention that network regularly managed to put out 4ish hours on a single disc so I feel technically you could put the whole war games on a single disc
Rob
July 9th, 2024 - 1:31pmAmbassador’s needs major work on the rainbow patterns.
Callum
July 7th, 2024 - 2:32pmHopefully someone can help. Whats the diffrence between the limited edition and standard release of these sets?
James
July 7th, 2024 - 2:52pmBoth have the same content. The limited is in a bulky cardboard box with a J card outer where as the standard is a normal blu ray case within a cardboard box. Makes it kinda half the size maybe a bit more compared to limited. And the booklet in the standard is a condensed version with the basic disc info, whereas the limited has more info about the stories and actors.
Rule of thumb the standard version comes out 2 years after the limited and is about 10 -15 pounds cheaper
Callum
July 7th, 2024 - 5:11pmThank you @James as i did wonder, as some of the limited editions are expensive now and want to start collocting these as i have them all on dvd.
The Time Lord 1944
July 8th, 2024 - 12:39amSome of the Limited Editions had errors and faults on the discs which were corrected by the time the standard edition came out. So holding out for the standard edition has it’s advantages.
X08-Chill
July 9th, 2024 - 10:08amThe standard is probably the better pick for most people (the discs are exactly the same), but I love the Limited Editions packaging style. (it feels much more premium and like effort and thought has gone in to make it a true collectors edition)
Some fans buy the limited and then sell it after the standard comes out too tbf
RPG74
July 9th, 2024 - 12:11pmApparently, the errors on Season 22 limited have not been corrected for the standard release, and there is the uncomfortable possibility that future mistakes will be left untouched, lest fans start demanding replacement discs. So we can put a red line through one of those pros.
Jake E
July 7th, 2024 - 11:44amHappy 105th Birthday Jon Pertwee!
Is it fair to say these collection sets probably won’t get completed until 2029? Yikes haha 🙂
Gordon
July 7th, 2024 - 11:13pmThink it could still finish in 2028. Seasons 4 and 5 could potentially have quicker turn arounds due to animation and special editions doing a lot of the leg work in advance.
Picture restoration
3 x tenth planet
2 x underwater menace
2 x moonbase
2 x faceless
Ep2 of evil was restored for the blu ray release of the animation. The faceless ones eps used old remasters on the animated release so that will probably get a going over. The underwater menace used the dvd remasters from 2015.
9 episodes
In terms of sound restoration
4 x tenth planet
4 x moonbase
Smugglers, power,menace,macra,faceless,evil alll had sound remastered for the animated blu rays. Highlanders got its soundtrack remastered in 2020 as part of the power special Edition release but got removed for space reasons.
8 episodes
Season 5
Picture restoration
4 x tomb
4 x ice
2 x wheel
The total has a potential to drop 2 if wheel gets restored as part of an animated release before a season 5 release. I didn’t include enemy as it got a hd remaster for the special edition though it never got a release. Web got hd remastered for its special edition as did ep 2 of abominable.
8-10 episodes
Sound restoration
4 x tomb
6 x ice
6 x wheel
Has the potential of dropping 6 if wheel gets animated. Abominable, web and fury got its sound restored for the animations. Enemy got hd sound restored despite not having a dvd release.
10-16 episodes.
So in terms of picture restoration for both seasons 17-19 episodes and 18 and 24 episodes in sound. There is also the possibility that they may want to do some work to the animations (rough and tumble per chance) which may mean additional audio work will be required and there also maybe the possibility that mark may want to give a 5.1 mix to one of the already animated ones thus increasing the total.
Prowl 1701
July 8th, 2024 - 5:50amYou know smugglers has had its sound remastered for animation already?
Tbf if anyone here knew that, it would be you, Gordon.
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 6:43amOh sorry this list is if the rumours of a smugglers animation are true which I would like to believe it is.
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 8:15amMark ayres has said he would have liked to have tackled the special edition of silver nemesis however it didn’t happen partly because Pete mctighe ended up doing it but he did say he wouldn’t have have been able to do it anyway as he had been extremely busy this year due to toymaker, season 25 and “another project I cannot yet talk about“ so there is something
I doubt it’s another season set so potentially an animation or another of the in colour releases however It might not be doctor who related. He did remaster the audio for the dad’s army animations last year. There is the rumoured Blake 7 blu ray project that I’m fairly certain is happening. Sally Knyvette has said she’s recorded some commentaries and interviews for a season 1 release that she says is due in September though i can see that date slipping as it hadn’t yet been announced. Some pics of filming extras with the liberator also leaked out. Kevin Jon Davies has also hinted his making ofs that he produced but was never used on the DVDs might be getting a release (“you might hear more info on those soon”). Ian Levine is claiming Russell Minton is going to be producing that range as well which makes mark’s involvement a possibility.
It also might not even be tv related. Just last year he did an atmos mix for the band orbital and also remixed the song staircase for the deluxe version of Steven Wilson’s harmony codex and compiled the inventions for radio vinyl box set.
DPHill
July 8th, 2024 - 5:50pmHe did a remix for orbital? Couldn’t possibly be related to their dr who 2003 40th anniversary trailer track could it and so for a wilderness set? I know, probably seeing patterns in things that aren’t there!
Also @Gordon, this basically means in ways they’re more like the work, perhaps a little more, of the 86-89 seasons, but less than the average 25+ episode set? A bit like 12 would you say? (The work for s4-5)
Also I bet you’re on the money with smugglers, your deductions, as ever, make concise and logical sense!
Prowl1701
July 8th, 2024 - 7:22pmI’d certainly be happy getting smugglers as the next animation. Loved the novelization.
Rex F
July 8th, 2024 - 7:34pmI thought the big remaster/upscale project this year was Some Mothers Do ‘Ave ‘Em, but I won’t complain about a second one. I’d be very happy to see B7 get a similar treatment to Who, OTT noise reduction excluded. I just really hope they’ve had someone with a keen eye note the problems with the previous attempt at a remaster so as not to repeat them. I did actually have a list I made for Series A, but there were so many that I never bothered to fix them – life’s too short! And in case anyone’s looking in, no dodgy freeze frames for reinserted film transfer cross-fades please – it wasn’t necessary at the time, even less so now when a kid with a laptop can avoid it (unlike the adults who remastered 1984 recently, surprisingly shoddy work weaker than what the DW Restoration Team were doing twenty years ago).
Gordon
July 8th, 2024 - 10:00pm@dphill the orbital project was an atmos mix of the Optical Delusion album for a blu ray audio release that was released last year. Unfortunately it sold out and now it goes for £95. Still not as bad as Steven Wilson’s harmony codex that mark did a remix of the song staircase for. Long sold out and goes for £295 on eBay.
@rex f I believe there are a few things that are either being worked on or planned. Some mothers and Blake’s 7 are only 2 of them. Bottom (believe bbc were really happy with the young ones blu ray sales so that might happen sooner) and vicar of dibley are also reportedly being ”on the list to be done” as well as potentially one foot in the grave (Algarve got an hd remaster broadcast over Christmas) and only fools.
Rex F
July 10th, 2024 - 12:33amDibley would be nice because my favourite episodes still haven’t been released in original widescreen. They could also put back the previously unclearable music into the extended home video edits for a third and final definitive version.
Auton
July 6th, 2024 - 10:06pmAt the Android Invasion Day Convention, they were recording more interviews and stuff for the Nicholas Courtney tribute just as they had been doing at Aldbourne
Gordon
July 7th, 2024 - 6:43amYep. Heard this also. It could hypothetically go on either 5,6,7,11 or 13 but I think 7 is the obvious place to have it as it’s the one he’s in the most.
D84
July 7th, 2024 - 1:07pmI enjoyed Android Invasion day.
Am hoping to see myself in the crowd on any shots or footage that is included on a future set
The Unlicensed Physician
July 7th, 2024 - 4:40pmD84: Did you sign the release form? ‘Cos otherwise they have to blur you out.
(Not really.)
JLBWHO
July 6th, 2024 - 2:49pmI really hope the physhic circus music video is included in the special features. Love that tune
Prowl 1701
July 7th, 2024 - 12:41amMe too, really enjoy it as well.
Gordon
July 7th, 2024 - 6:51amCan’t see any reason why it shouldn’t. It was on the dvd
DPHill
July 6th, 2024 - 11:07amAlso posting here because it’s more obvious, I saw McGann at a Yorkshire Comic con in Harrogate and he was lovely! An exciting day meeting Colin and Nicola as well as Brian blessed!!
I did ask him whether or not he thinks he should be on a collection set as I said he ought to be with all the wilderness stuff! He was happy and said I absolutely should be! Doesn’t say much but a little later after signing my dvd, I said I’m guessing you’ve been a busy man seen as you’re not on the other collection features and he said well I am busy so I’d rather focus that time and energy on when they do mine, the ones that the fans have named…
I don’t know if I’m reading much into that, but fans did name the wilderness years, and he said when they do mine, i wonder if this hints ever more favourably to a wilderness years set with McGann on the front?
Gordon
July 7th, 2024 - 7:40amWith only 10 season sets left to put out and a number of them already having features already been recorded they are going to have to think about that set and commission it sooner rather than later if they are doing it.
Chris chapman alone had his 39th blu ray feature commissioned on the 28th of June. Taking into account only 28 of those have been announced or released there is still 11 unannounced features from him. That doesn’t include stuff like the escape rooms, Tom talks, behind the sofas in conversations the collectors and other features which have been banked over the years that he doesn’t make. Steve broster is the one directing and producing the Nicholas Courtney documentary I believe and Pete mctighe is also doing one to do with target books which might be on season 11 (the first target release was about 74 so fits there narratively) so there is more to come from other people. There is only so many releases left and no matter how well they budget there is only so many features that can be made on those releases. 10 seasons and maybe 10/11 animated releases to go till we get a full run of classic releases
DPHill
July 8th, 2024 - 6:37pmIndeed they are, I also had another thought about a bridge between new and classic who if they did treat us to new who, but after the whole range is done, and there may be sets with animations completed (or when there are no unrepresented stories) they could have a modern blu ray collection called lost in time and have swappable discs with the animation and the other features on with that sets artwork relevant to each disc, or just have a non swappable set perhaps
Either way, wilderness should be on their radar now if they will do it! A target one would fit perfectly, I think it was very late 73 or feb 74 so fits for 11, id love sone new features about bbv and real-time, eda and virgin, and to just have all those little main who special treats in the weird and wonderful wilderness
rich
July 6th, 2024 - 9:08amI’m waiting for the set with zero versions of each of these terrible stories.
Gordon
July 6th, 2024 - 10:03amEvery season is someone’s favourite.
DPHill
July 6th, 2024 - 10:21amWell currently zero season 25 stories is already released on 12, 19, 18, 10, 23, 26, 14, 8, 24, 17, 22, 2, 9, 20, & 15, and that’s just classic who! Spoilt for choice of zero versions of s25 stories!! Lucky you
Mason Spencer
July 6th, 2024 - 4:06pmYou think Remembrance of the Daleks is a terrible story?
HiViz
July 6th, 2024 - 6:07pmHey look at this guy who thinks negative opinions make him a interesting person