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January 7th, 2020 19 comments

Doctor Who The Sunmakers Original Music Soundtrack CD

Announced in Doctor Who Magazine CD £8.99, Vinyl LP £18.99

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19 comments

  • Stanley Gleed

    January 19th, 2020 - 2:23pm

    Okay so recently I have been confused as before the announcement of “The Sun Makers Album,” I thought that the only fully surviving soundtrack by Dudley Simpson was “The Sun Makers.” But recently some people have been saying that “The Underwater Menace,” “The Ice Warriors,” “Fury from the Deep” and “The Seeds of Death” soundtracks have also survived which I did not know and it has made me really confused.

    The only clean tracks I have heard from Dudley Simpson are:
    . Music from “The Chase” (With sound effects by Brian Hodgson
    . The Fish People from “The Underwater Menace”
    . Chromophone Band from “The Macra Terror”
    . Music Excerpt from “The Macra Terror”
    . Episode 1 Title Music from “The Ice Warriors”
    . Episode 2-6 Title Music from “The Ice Warriors”
    . Mr Oak and Mr Quill from “Fury from the Deep”
    . Title Music from “The Seeds of Death”
    . Moon Control from “The Seeds of Death”
    . Ice Warrior Music from “The Seeds of Death”
    . War Chief Music from “The War Games”
    . The Masters Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
    . Hypnosis Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
    . Dover Castle from “The Mind of Evil”
    . Keller Machine Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
    . The Axons Approach from “The Claws of Axos”
    . “Carnival of Monsters” Episode 1
    . “Frontier in Space” Episodes 1 & 2
    . “Planet of the Spiders” Part 2
    . Mysterious Robots from “Robot”
    . “The Android Invasion” Parts 3 & 4
    . Music from “The Sun Makers”
    . “The Invasion of Time” Parts 3 & 4

    Those are the only existing Dudley Simpson tracks that I know definitely exist because I have heard them personally.
    Is there more and how do you know?

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  • Bryan

    January 15th, 2020 - 12:32pm

    IIRC The Ice Warriors music exists, as does Slipback (Radio 6th Dr story, with a superb score) & paradise of Death , I am sure It was mentioned on one of the forums (roobarbs i think)

    To be honest ANY Soundtrack music would be welcome, and the taster of Visitation and Sunmakers on the 72 min Audio CD were lovely. So looking forward to Sunmakers, as its in my head (badly) already 🙂

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    • Stanley Gleed

      January 16th, 2020 - 5:16am

      Wait, The Ice Warriors music exists as well. I’m confused, what Dudley Simpson soundtracks still exist? Obviously The Sun Makers exists as we are getting it but I thought that was the only fully existing one but recently I’ve had people saying to be that Fury from the Deep’s soundtrack exists and then The Seeds of Death soundtrack and now The Ice Warriors. Just which ones do exist?:
      . Planet of Giants
      . The Crusade
      . The Chase
      . The Celestial Toymaker
      . The Underwater Menace
      . The Macra Terror
      . Evil of the Daleks
      . The Ice Warriors
      . Fury from the Deep
      . The Seeds of Death
      . The Space Pirates
      . The War Games
      . And practically every 70s story with a few exceptions

      Just which ones do exist? Is it just The Sun Makers? Is it The Sun Makers and all the soundtracks made using the BBC Radiophonic Workshop? Is it that and also The Seeds of Death and The Ice Warriors? Which ones exist?!

    • DrWhoFanJ

      January 16th, 2020 - 12:56pm

      The following Dudley Simpson scores survive:

      The Underwater Menace
      Fury from the Deep
      The Seeds of Death
      The Sun Makers

    • Stanley Gleed

      January 16th, 2020 - 7:18pm

      So The Ice Warriors soundtrack doesn’t exist?
      This is getting confusing. How do you know this? The only clean tracks I have heard from Dudley Simpson are:
      . Music from “The Chase” (With sound effects but brian Hodgson
      . The Fish People from “The Underwater Menace”
      . Chromophone Band from “The Macra Terror”
      . Music Excerpt from “The Macra Terror”
      . Episode 1 Title Music from “The Ice Warriors”
      . Episode 2-6 Title Music from “The Ice Warriors”
      . Mr Oak and Mr Quill from “Fury from the Deep”
      . Title Music from “The Seeds of Death”
      . Moon Control from “The Seeds of Death”
      . Ice Warrior Music from “The Seeds of Death”
      . War Chief Music from “The War Games”
      . The Masters Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
      . Hypnosis Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
      . Dover Castle from “The Mind of Evil”
      . Keller Machine Theme from “The Mind of Evil”
      . The Axons Approach from “The Claws of Axos”
      . “Carnival of Monsters” Episode 1
      . “Frontier in Space” Episodes 1 & 2
      . Planet of the Spiders Part 2
      . Mysterious Robots from “Robot”
      . “The Android Invasion” Parts 3 & 4
      . Music from “The Sun Makers”
      . The Invasion of Time Parts 3 & 4

      Those are the only existing Dudley Simpson tracks that I know definitely exist because I have heard them.
      Is there more and how do you know?

    • DrWhoFanJ

      January 20th, 2020 - 7:18pm

      In order,
      “The Chase” — is taken directly from the episodes, hence the sound effects.
      “The Underwater Menace”, “The Macra Terror”, “The Ice Warriors”, “The Mind of Evil”, “The Claws of Axos” — all that survives from those scores has been released.
      Chromophone Band, “The Macra Terror”; War Chief Music, “The War Games” — not Dudley Simpson
      “Carnival of Monsters”, “Frontier in Space”, “Planet of the Spiders”, “The Android Invasion”, “The Invasion of Time” — only some episodes per story have surviving music, so all that is unreleased (that can be released) are some cues from those episodes.
      Mysterious Robots, “Robot” — rerecording not original

    • DrWhoFanJ

      January 20th, 2020 - 7:19pm

      P.S. I know from the booklet from the 11CD album released in 2013 (Mark Ayres made a complete list of all the surviving music)

    • Stanley Gleed

      January 21st, 2020 - 4:42pm

      So The Underwater Menace, Fury from the Deep and The Seeds of Death Soundtracks have survived.

      If that is the case then I’m ecstatic that Fury and Seeds exist but slightly annoyed that out of all of Dudley’s work, Underwater Menace survived.

    • DrWhoFanJ

      January 21st, 2020 - 6:26pm

      No, The Underwater Menace only has the already-released track surviving.

    • Stanley Gleed

      January 21st, 2020 - 8:05pm

      Wait, I’m confused again, so The Underwater Menace doesn’t have its full soundtrack?

    • DrWhoFanJ

      January 25th, 2020 - 12:32pm

      No, unfortunately not. As far as we are aware, only “The Fish People” and the music used in the early temple-sacrifice scene survive (the latter from the DVD photo gallery)

    • Stanley Gleed

      January 26th, 2020 - 4:21pm

      But Fury from the Deep and The Seeds of Death do have their full soundtracks? If that is the case then I am very happy.

  • Stanely Gleed

    January 12th, 2020 - 1:01pm

    It’s about time we had a Classic Doctor Who soundtrack released. There were none last year.
    OK, recap on Classic Doctor Who Soundtrack releases from earliest existing:
    . The Daleks – Tristram Cary (1963)
    . The Invasion – Don Harper (1968)
    . The Krotons – Brian Hodgson (1969)
    . The Sun Makers – Dudley Simpson (1977)
    . The Visitation – Paddy Kingsland (1982)
    . The Five Doctors – Peter Howell (1983)
    . The Caves of Androzani – Roger Limb (1984)
    . Ghost Light – Mark Ayres (1989)
    . Survival – Dominic Glynn (1989)

    So for each Doctor we have:
    Hartnell = 1
    Troughton = 2
    Pertwee = 0
    T.Baker = 1
    Davison = 3
    C.Baker = 0
    McCoy = 2

    I’m surprised we have got another Davison soundtrack as we already had 2 released in 2013 and 2018. I thought this new run of Classic Doctor Who Soundtrack releases would have released a Soundtrack for each of the Classic Doctors before they would revisit a Doctor but that seems to be not the case. I was suspecting a Tom Baker soundtrack would be released next and it was kind of obvious that it would have been The Sun Makers as it is (as far as far as we know) the only fully surviving soundtrack by Dudley Simpson (Doctor Who’s longest running music composer 1964-1980).

    So what would be next? Well not counting stories which use Stock Music as their soundtrack and music from the 80s (as it all exists) I see the following stories’ soundtracks being released:
    . The Daleks’ Master Plan – Tristram Cary (1965)
    . The Gunfighters – Tristram Cary, Donald Cotton and Rex Tucker (1966)
    . The Wheel in Space – Brian Hodgson (1968)
    . The Dominators – Brian Hodgson (1968)
    . The Mind Robber – Brian Hodgson (1968)
    . The Silurians – Carey Blyton (1970)
    . The Sea Devils – Malcolm Clarke (1972)
    . The Mutants – Tristram Cary (1972)
    . Death to the Daleks – Carey Blyton (1974)
    . Revenge of the Cybermen – Carey Blyton and Peter Howell (1975)
    . Terror of the Zygons – Geoffrey Burgon (1975)
    . The Seeds of Doom – Geoffrey Burgon (1976)
    . Shada (1992 Version) – Keff McCulloch (1992)
    . Shada (2017 Version) – Mark Ayres (2017)
    . The T.V Movie – John Debney, Louis Serbe and John Sponsler (1996)

    As for music from 80s Doctor Who, I see stories like Earthshock, Resurrection of the Daleks, The Two Doctors, Revelation of the Daleks and Remembrance of the Daleks having their soundtracks released as they are all note worthy and more memorable then other 80s stories (however lets have a break from Davison).

    I don’t see why the BBC don’t release soundtracks which use Stock Music for their stories. Is it because of Copyright? Most of the music used in early Doctor Who was made to be used in television for free and I think the people who own the music would like to see the music be more viewed and out to the public if released under the Doctor Who name:
    . The Edge of Destruction (1964)
    . The Web Planet – Les Structures Sonores (1965)
    . The Space Museum (1965)
    . The Time Meddler (1965)
    . Galaxy 4 – Les Structures Sonores (1965)
    . Mission to the Unknown – Trevor Duncan (1965)
    . The Massacre of St Bartholomew’s Eve – Pierre Arvay (1966)
    . The War Machines (1966)
    . The Tenth Planet (1966)
    . The Highlanders (1966)
    . The Moonbase (1967)
    . The Faceless Ones (1967)
    . Tomb of the Cybermen (1967)
    . The Abominable Snowmen (1967)
    . Enemy of the World – Béla Bartók (1967)
    . The Web of Fear (1968)
    . Inferno (1970)

    Yea I know my Classic Music.

    Their have been previous releases by other companies for Doctor Who stories which had Stock Music (Tomb of the Cybermen and The Tenth Planet) and some Stock Music was released on the 50th Anniversary Collection so I don’t see what the problem is.

    Finally, it wouldn’t be hard to recreate music from Classic Doctor Who if the music tracks didn’t exist anymore. Classic Doctor Who always had a small budget so they could only spend so much for the incidental music (why do you think they sometimes used Stock Music) and certainly not orchestras to produce them like we have now with Modern Doctor Who. And as for stories which have an electronic sound to them, they would be even easier to recreate. Stories like The Underwater Menace, The Macra Terror, Fury from the Deep (WOULD LOVE TO SEE FURY’S SOUNDTRACK RELEASED) and practically every 70s story.

    Anyway, it is nice to see Classic Who music still be released.

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    • Nick D

      January 13th, 2020 - 10:22am

      Great post, thank you ☺︎ Great to see so much love for the brilliant Doctor Who scores.

  • Philip Shaw

    January 9th, 2020 - 9:11pm

    I suspected this was the Tom Baker release after hearing it was the only complete Dudley Simpson score that existed.

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    • Ian Cotterill

      January 9th, 2020 - 10:20pm

      I agree, though I had thought that were alternative choices of soundtrack for the Fourth Doctor, such as ‘Logopolis’ or the 1992 & 2017 score for ‘Shada’. But Dudley Simpson was definitely the obvious choice for this release.

    • MJS

      January 12th, 2020 - 1:48pm

      Please please please can we get a rerecorded a la Heathcliffe Blair, soundtrack to city of death. The music is sublime

    • Anonymous

      January 16th, 2020 - 8:03am

      Speaking of Dudley Simpson, Jess Jurkovic is doing piano recreations of his music on YouTube

  • Ian Cotterill

    January 9th, 2020 - 6:30pm

    Oh, I am so getting this release. Dudley Simpson was in my opinion the best composer for ‘Doctor Who’ and the chance to hear more of his music is really exciting.

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