December 4th, 2023
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Doctor Who 60th Anniversary Specials Steelbook
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Doctor Who 60th Anniversary specials available to pre-order on Steelbook, DVD and Blu-ray
Following the Fourteenth Doctor’s TV specials to celebrate Doctor Who’s 60th Anniversary, all three episodes will be available for Doctor Who fans to add to their home entertainment collection in December 2023.
The three-disc release, which includes exclusive additional content, will be available for fans to own on Steelbook, Blu-ray and DVD from 11th December with pre-orders available today.
As well as David Tennant starring as the Fourteenth Doctor and companion Catherine Tate returning as fan-favourite Donna Noble, other guest stars include Neil Patrick Harris, Yasmin Finney, Miriam Margolyes, Jemma Redgrave and many more.
The release will feature all three anniversary special episodes: The Star Beast, Wild Blue Yonder and The Giggle.
Fans can pre-order the 60th anniversary DVD, Steelbook and Blu-ray through most online retailers.
Additional content
Exclusive to the 60th Anniversary specials release:
- Rachel Talalay’s Scene Breakdown
- Chanya Button’s Scene Breakdown
- Tom Kingsley’s Scene Breakdown
Special Features:
- The Star Beast Behind The Scenes
- The Fourteenth Doctor Reveal
- Wild Blue Yonder Behind The Scenes
- The Giggle Behind The Scenes
- The Giggle In-vision Commentary
- The Star Beast In-vision Commentary
- David and Catherine’s Flashbacks
- Yasmin Finney Introduces Rose Noble
- Designing the Fourteenth Doctor
- Set Tour with Yasmin Finney
- The Star Beast – Behind The Scenes Trailer
- Wild Blue Yonder – Behind The Scenes Trailer
- The Giggle – Behind The Scenes Trailer
- The Cast Introduce the Villains in ‘Wild Blue Yonder’
- Behind The Scenes Fun with David and Catherine
- Video Diary with David Tennant’s Stand-in
- TARDIS Set Tour with David Tennant and Phil Sims
- Ruth Madeley Introduces Shirley Bingham
- Neil Patrick Harris Introduces the Toymaker
- Becoming the Toymaker
- 60th Specials Recap with David Tennant
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Lewis Frisby
November 25th, 2023 - 11:41amPersonally i dont think this will be the final cover
Now hear me out on the back usually has villains on the back and some friends aswell but we have nothing on there from wild blue yonder so I think after it airs I think we will get it updated with things from that story
daz
November 25th, 2023 - 10:34pmI much prefer the normal Blu-ray cover by Lee Binding as DT doesn’t look quite right.
The robot from the trailers could habe been on the back of the steelbook. It could be changed though.
Loobop
November 23rd, 2023 - 9:57pmmy mum is buying me the dvd version for christmas but i can’t resist the steelbook all pre ordered,my poor bank account i’ll be glad when the 60th is over so i can recover my balance lol.
Rex F
November 24th, 2023 - 2:30amWhy are you getting the dvd if you can play Blu? Trying to keep a complete dvd collection as well perhaps?
Judooning
November 24th, 2023 - 12:45pmThat’s what I do. Always order the Steelbook online, but i origionaly started the DVD collection years ago however can’t bring myself to stop collecting them for completist sake. So I’ll buy the standard DVD a month or so down the line usually from a HMV store on a whim when im in there. Good to keep supporting the physical stores too.
SV7
November 25th, 2023 - 11:42amI always do the same. Yesterday I picked up The Underwater Menace on DVD from my local supermarket. I got the steelbook on release day.
The time ooddish
November 23rd, 2023 - 9:45pmWill they release full artwork for this like the other sets? It’s stunning!
Isran
November 23rd, 2023 - 8:43pmAre they going to release full artwork for this like they did for every other release? Always nice to have it as a wallpaper
Lewis Frisby
November 23rd, 2023 - 8:26pmIs the release date really the 18th of December I thorght it was the 11th
D84
November 23rd, 2023 - 8:56pmThe Instagram post from the BBCDoctorwho account says 11th December on the post they put on yo announce the cover art
Tim Lord Victorious
November 23rd, 2023 - 5:13pmWhy no children in need cut away??
Timecrash etc were always on the boxsets??
Rex F
November 23rd, 2023 - 5:26pmPerhaps because it’s only a comedy skit, rather than a proper mini episode? They can always put it on another release, assuming it’s cleared. The other possibility is that it just wasn’t ready when the discs were authored.
beef
November 23rd, 2023 - 10:26pmRTD literally said “it’s not a comedy skit”
Alan
November 24th, 2023 - 9:12amI can understand it being too late to add to the discs so hopefully it may be on the next set even if it doesn’t fit.
Other than that wait for The Collection to get around to these episodes
Rex F
November 24th, 2023 - 1:47pmBeef: I’m assuming he was either joking then as well, or had been enjoying the hospitality a bit too long.
Sime
November 23rd, 2023 - 4:57pmJust pre-ordered the steelbook (with the help of some vouchers, which always helps!). Soon as I saw the artwork I wanted it. Nice to have ordered it on the actual 60th anniversary date. Will be my first Doctor Who steel as I normally prefer slip covers. But I had to have this!
D84
November 23rd, 2023 - 4:09pmCover art has been revealed – and released date – 11th December
Steel book art is beautiful
Prowl 1701
November 23rd, 2023 - 4:45pmDo we know who has done the art?
TheOncomingStorm
November 22nd, 2023 - 9:13amDecember 18th 2024 is now listed as the release date on Amazon. I’m wondering if it will be released the 18th of next month, as first thought?
A whole year seems too long for the release.
D84
November 22nd, 2023 - 3:58pmI’ve had a “new release date” email from Amazon too stating that date
I expect someone has keyed it in wrong – and it will be 18th December 2023 – which is a Monday – so seems to fit
Even if its not 18th Dec 2023 – I doubt it will be much beyond January 2024 at the latest when this comes out
TheOncomingStorm
November 22nd, 2023 - 8:31pmD84
That’s what I was thinking. It would be criminal to miss out on that christmas buzz though. I feel the mid December this year release is accurate.
Darrencollier
November 19th, 2023 - 12:55amWe’re not coming out on 4k Blu-ray. Because. BBC i player showing anyone know why. Please
D84
November 19th, 2023 - 3:37pmNope
But I would buy it of course
Seems a little odd – as they are producing it in 4k but so far no releases (Power of the Doctor onwards)
daz
November 22nd, 2023 - 1:29pmUnfortunately Twice Upon A Time in 4K didn’t do great sales back in 2018. They know how many people buy Who on Blu-ray too.
Also it can be said it’s exclusive to iplayer.
AlbertoFrog
November 22nd, 2023 - 3:36pmI think you might be right, daz. Seems odd to base sales predictions on the success (or not) of a release from five years ago, particularly when interest (and number of titles) has increased a LOT for 4K in those five years.
Rex F
November 22nd, 2023 - 10:39pmThey need to see significant interest. A few thousand email requests for a 4k version might help. Or a US release next year if the eps are a big streaming success (since BBC only do 24fps 4k releases worldwide).
Robert Sienicki
November 17th, 2023 - 8:06amWell, now the big question is – will the Children in Need mini-sode be included in the disc as well?
D84
November 17th, 2023 - 12:52pmI suspect it will be, hence the delay to cover art reveal etc
Or – it could just be they are holding the cover art back to not give the game away before the episodes have aired
Really not sure, but my personal suspicion is that the CIN mini episode will be included as it is newly written and shot – where else would you put it?
MJS
November 13th, 2023 - 10:55amHow annoying! Amazon showing as being delivered Saturday. But if bought today can be delivered tomorrow! Cancelled preorder and ordered again today
The Unlicensed Physician
November 15th, 2023 - 5:15pmI’ll eat my own face if you get the set delivered before broadcast. (Wrong steelbook, I guess?)
TheOncomingStorm
November 16th, 2023 - 12:04pmI think you’re referring to the Underwater Menace
TheOncomingStorm
November 4th, 2023 - 7:22amNow there’s a 2024 release date listed on amazon?
booboo
November 4th, 2023 - 9:19amdefault date when exact date unknown
D84
November 4th, 2023 - 10:44amI’ve had another revised delivery date email from Amazon stating my Steelbook is now due for delivery on 7th January 2025
I think it’s safe to say at this point in time, the release date for this is unknown so they’ve pushed it out by a year as a holding date
Perhaps last minute changes to content with new stuff being bundled? CIN etc?
TheOncomingStorm
November 4th, 2023 - 8:44pmThat makes sense. I hope we still get a pre Christmas release date.
Snowman
November 5th, 2023 - 11:34amYeah, I’ve just had that change of delivery date to 7th of January 2025. Seems a very long wait.
Pete X
November 5th, 2023 - 1:08pmThey may have realised the original release date was two days after the UK broadcast of the last story in the set.
Since people get review copies a week or two before release and many copies arrive in the post on the Saturday before the Monday release day, they’ve put the release forward to avoid/minimise leaks of the unbroadcast story(ies) and maximise on broadcast and i-player viewing figures.
D84
November 3rd, 2023 - 7:21amRelease date now 18th December according to Amazon
daz
November 1st, 2023 - 5:41pmJust so you know they’ve updated the listing to say it will have the first 3 episodes of Doctor Who Unleashed.
Might be a weeks delay to release date too according to social media.
Gordon
November 1st, 2023 - 5:44pmConsidering how close to transition I never expected that date to stick
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November 15th, 2023 - 7:59amListing on amazon says nothing about doctor who unleashed?
daz
November 15th, 2023 - 10:37amThat’s the original press release info. It was updated on the bbc site a week later when the date vanished.
https://www.doctorwho.tv/news-and-features/doctor-who-60th-anniversary-specials-available-to-pre-order-on-steelbook-dvd-and
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October 30th, 2023 - 8:10amThe additional content on here seems a bit lacking for me, unless there are some secret items not listed. For instance the 50th anniversary had An Adventure In Space & Time, The 5ish Doctors Reboot and the 8th Doctor’s return in Night Of The Doctor. This seems to all be behind the scenes stuff.
There is a documentary on BBC 4 on Wednesday that could have been included, and the mysterious items teased for the 17th and 23rd of November… but we shall see I suppose.
daz
October 30th, 2023 - 9:44amThe 50th release though came out months afterwards and not 2 days after the final special. This one is purely about those specials.
There is an episode of Imagine -The Doctor and Me with RTD that hasn’t got a broadcast date yet which might be the 17th of November one.
The BBC4 Documentary Talking Doctor Who is only about classic who so I can see that being put on the Season One Collection Set eventually and the 60th Music concert could end up on the Series 14 set.
Robert Sienicki
October 30th, 2023 - 4:49pm50th Anniversary also had only one special and this time we are getting three, so I think it evens out.
Robert Sienicki
October 30th, 2023 - 7:12amI wonder if those episode “Behind the Scenes” will be full episodes of “Unleashed” or just some cutdowns.
DanWFA
October 31st, 2023 - 11:03amJust been confirmed Unleashed WILL be on here. As well as the behind the scenes special feature. Looks like it might just be a quick little video, but Unleashed will be on the set fully uncut.
Robert Sienicki
October 31st, 2023 - 4:55pmThat’s great news, cause I live outside of UK, and I can’t see it legally otherwise. That itself warrant a pre-order!
D84
October 29th, 2023 - 7:05amAny word on if this will be a 4K release?
I saw the other day confirmation that the specials will be available via iPlayer in 4K when they go out on TV so wonder if we will see a first (I think) Who release with 4K content.
Although we didn’t get Power in 4K on Blu-ray in the Steelbook and that is available in 4K too
When The Doctor Who Me
October 29th, 2023 - 7:28amI doubt it. There were a handful of 4K releases from the BBC a few years back (Twice Upon and Time, Sherlock Series 1 to name a couple) and no more were ever released. Which is a shame as I’m a big 4K collector myself. As you say no 4K for Power was ever released, even though it had 4K streaming. So my guess would be it will be Blu-ray only.
D84
October 29th, 2023 - 8:19amHmmm, I thought the same
Come on Bad Wolf and RTD – get it sorted
If you are producing New Who in 4K then let us buy it please, us fans will buy everything
Rex F
October 30th, 2023 - 2:59amFans didn’t buy Twice Upon A Time. If all the numbers, including typical BD/4K sales ratios, are saying it’s not worth the effort, then they aren’t going to bother. So the BD needs to sell brilliantly, and it might be worth people contacting the dvd enquiry email to say that they only passed on Twice because it was an upscale (HDR alone just wasn’t enough). Then the 4K would have to sell quickly, and I get the feeling that most people don’t like to upgrade too soon after a Blu purchase. So probably best to ask for the next release to get a simultaneous 4K (the Xmas special).
Rory
October 30th, 2023 - 10:28am@rex F, I suspect that part of the problem with TUAT may also have been that it was relatively early in the life of 4K. At that time, most of the people I knew who bought 4K were cinephiles, and the selection in shops was very small compared to BD and DVD. There seems to have been a greater adoption in recent years, so it may have become more viable.
G Wilson
October 29th, 2023 - 5:19amI wonder if the Behind The Scenes for all 3 episodes will be the Doctor Who Unleashed programmes or something else.
DanWFA
October 31st, 2023 - 11:05amUnleashed will be on the here too. It’s just been updated to show it. Looks like the ‘Behind the Scenes’ special feature is something else entirely cause its still listed as a separate bonus feature
Alzie Who 66
October 26th, 2023 - 5:57pmWowwwwww , what a Christmas pressie!!
The Time Lord 1944
October 26th, 2023 - 3:26pmFinally confirmation that New Who physical media releases are continuing under the Disney+ deal. Great news.
Moodbeam
October 26th, 2023 - 11:21pmThe two are not related.
The Time Lord 1944
October 27th, 2023 - 1:54amWhat do you mean? There was talk that Disney + exclusivity would prevent any further new series being released on Blu-ray. There was much discussion on here. The BBC would not answer any questions on the topic when emailed. Surely this release of this co production now confirms the physical releases will continue under the new deal.
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October 27th, 2023 - 7:22amThere was a fan gossip and alot if social media click bait but this was never a real concern.
People seem to think that disney is now lord and master of doctor when the reality is they are investors and have a international distribution deal, not uk merchandise rights
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October 27th, 2023 - 7:30amI doubt the disney logo will even appear on the packaging for uk releases.
It’s those people in America who buy physical that should be concerned, that being said RTD know the fanbase so im sure he won’t leave them out. BBC don’t respond to gossip and fan assumption and chances are, bad wolf are the ones actually looking after the merchandise side.
You only have to look at all the stuff we have had since RTDs return!
RPG74
October 28th, 2023 - 12:45pmAccording to bluray.com there is a limited edition 13 series nuWho boxset being released in the US, November 21st. But no sign of the 60th anniversary specials. Yet. As someone else pointed out, no-one believed The Mandalorian would have a disc release, so…
D84
October 28th, 2023 - 4:31pmAre we thinking that set will be Flux + 3 Specials?
RPG74
October 28th, 2023 - 5:37pmAll thirteen series of nuWho to date.
D84
October 28th, 2023 - 5:56pmOh yes I recall now, wasn’t that leaked a couple of months ago for pre order?
The URL was pasted on one of these chats somewhere
RPG74
October 28th, 2023 - 6:42pmI believe that’s the one.
MJS
October 29th, 2023 - 11:27amAgreed. Disney are just an investor now, just like CBC was in 2006
Rex F
October 30th, 2023 - 2:39amAlthough Disney are an investor that may well be putting up most of the money. Certainly a lot more than CBC’s 9%.
godlek
October 26th, 2023 - 3:04pmThought they might include the bbc4 60th anniversary documentary on this release.. not that i am complaining. Good selection of extras.
DanWFA
October 31st, 2023 - 12:00pmMight still get added! Unleashed has just been revealed to be on the set
Pupbenny
October 26th, 2023 - 2:49pmWhat does ‘in-vision commentary’ mean? Also, interesting that that’s a ‘The Cast introduce villains from wild blue yonder’ extra.
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October 26th, 2023 - 2:50pmCommentary with a box in corner of those doing the commentary, they did it in series 5 with S.M and Karen Gillan.
Sofia Fox
October 27th, 2023 - 3:12amAnd Series 2
Star Lord
October 26th, 2023 - 2:42pmInstant pre-order 🙂
Jake E
October 26th, 2023 - 2:30pmI hope the 2023 Christmas Special gets put in the Series 14 Steelbook or something because it won’t get its own Steelbook.
I don’t want them to miss this out of the Steelbook like they have previous specials!
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October 26th, 2023 - 2:54pmI suspect with RTD involved, the sets will return to their “xmas+full season” format so yes, it is likley a steelbook would include xmas
from what i saw, the Chibnall era filmed the new years as separate blocks and not part of the season, where as RTD era included the seasonal special as episode “x” in the season block
Judooning
October 26th, 2023 - 1:49pmNot wasting any time with the steel book for this, when you look how hard the origioanl lot of 50th Anniversary box sets are to get now
Ordered!
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October 26th, 2023 - 2:48pmRTD power house, he knows the power of the merchandise pull on fans and a nice way to dispel this nonsense of “disney+ will kill physical media in doctor who”. This is very much RTD/Bad wolf showing their hand and that whilst it never went away……….doctor who is back!
daz
October 26th, 2023 - 3:21pmMore than…
It’s good being in the UK. However, it will be interesting to see what happens in the USA and other markets in regards to NuWho 60th+ physical media in the coming year. It might be exclusive to Disney+ for a set time for example.
Time will tell…
James
October 26th, 2023 - 1:24pmThought they would,stick the toymaker animations on here. But the different release equals more profit to plug bag into other animations
Perplexed
October 27th, 2023 - 7:31amIs that the unconfirmed rumour-only-at-this-point Toymaker animation you refer to? The one that IF it is to be animated has nothing to do with the current production of specials (other than a returning villian). Why would it not have its own separate release beforehand? Have the animations ever been released on New Series titles before? What a curious expectation….
James
October 27th, 2023 - 10:15amPerplexed. Well the collection box sets included SJA adventures episodes of the doctor. As its the 60th anniversary would make sense to add it into this set. Or maybe a trailer (coming soon…).
It does have to do with the production as its the return of a villain which hasn’t appeared for almost 60 years. The 3 specials are to do with this villain. Just be a nice added extra.
But as I said make sense also to make it a separate release as this profit would be plugged back into the other animations going on.
Macra animation could not be on series 3 as it wasn’t done yet. The yetis haven’t appeared in NuWho so wouldn’t be on any set (web/abominable).
Plus younger fans who watch NuWho who may not have seen classic or buy would get to see it.
Gareth Pugh
October 29th, 2023 - 11:00pmThe animations require large teams in a number of countries to work for many months (in some cases) and their salaries need paying. For that reason, the teams behind the animations have said in the past each animation needs to receive its own standalone release first in order to contribute to recouping the costs (as well as funding from BBC Studios -and other sources). They said at the recent BFI event for the Underwater Menace that where animations have already been done and released previously, they WILL appear on ‘The Collection’ series box sets. But there’s no way BBC Studios can afford to make them and just give them away as a ‘nice extra’ on things like the 60th Specials release.
They just take too much time and money for that to be the business model.
Andrew 74
October 26th, 2023 - 12:01pmWhy have they stopped releasing the standard editions of the collection blu ray set ? Only 1 set came out this year – season 24. On a dying format this is poor. Then the new episodes are already on pre order
Whofan44
October 26th, 2023 - 12:13pmOn average they are about 2 years after the limited edition. The next one should be season 17 which came out in December 2021 so hopefully won’t be much longer.
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October 26th, 2023 - 12:15pmThis is already well documented. COVID, the war in iraq, plastic prices, printing press’s from abroad are all factors. The S.E’s of the collections are where the money is, that’s where the return in investment comes from for the BBC.
The new episodes will generate quick income – by proven and shared matrix, David tennant sells – he is a trusted commodity, whether you like it or not isn’t up for debate. Stick his face on ANYTHING and fans new & old will buy, that revenue then allows BBC to invest in other doctor who projects. This metric came from BBC surveys with fans, it showed that david and Paul mcgann are the most lucrative of the doctors over the last few years – thats why davids back!! not just cause “it will be fun” but for the BBC and Disney+, he is a money printing machine. get the blu ray out when the buzz of the 60th is fresh – smart
Blu ray is NOT a dying format, the “streaming era” is starting to come full circle with countless movies/tv etc stuck behind subscriptions and pay walls or not available due to legal/licensing issues, blu ray will be around for years to come so lets just be grateful for what we get eh?
Snowman
October 26th, 2023 - 12:28pmThe War in Iraq? That one totally flew by me.
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October 26th, 2023 - 12:43pm* i meant the war in russia
Ben
October 26th, 2023 - 3:15pm@alphabets
Great way of putting it that the “streaming era” had come full circle. Many people see streaming as the future, but we’ve just passed the best point it will ever be — sure, streaming models will changed and improved, but other ways to watch media aren’t going to die because of streaming. Already, there’s been a recent weariness towards streaming models — constantly rotating catalogues but never anything good, too many competitors when all the good things are exclusives. As a result there’s been a bit of a recent rise in non-streaming media watching, with piracy definitely becoming more popular for gen z. But, like how vinyl collecting is a surprisingly large market even when Spotify exists, there’s still appeal for opening your favourite media. Blu ray isn’t going to die out before the collection range has made back it’s money.
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October 26th, 2023 - 4:03pm@ben, quite right. The other issue we will see is it will become impossible to have everything “on demand” as the price of these streaming services will just go higher and higher and they will become more and more excusive as the companies withdraw their films/tv from other platforms in favour of their own new platform.
It will be come a streaming world of “pay as you watch” rather then annual subscriptions. I only buy 2-3 months of netflix a year, to cover halloween-xmas, that’s when the good stuff normally shows up for me, anything outside that date range gets watched within the 3 months and then I let it cancel itself. The only exception being Disney+ for me as i watch it almost daily.
The good thing about Disney+(for now) is that its still relatively cheap for what you get, essentially 5 separate streaming channels with new content, not just star wars and marvel but some great horror, fun documentary’s etc
Doctor who is well placed within the Disney umbrella for the rest of the world, as we have seen with things like hocus pocus 2 (fifth highest streamed movie last year btw) and futurama, disney understand nostalgia and will invest in bringing back “the old favourites” so all these spin offs RTD is teasing, disney will be a factor in that.
People say that physical media is being killed by disney+ – loki, wandavision and 2/3 seasons of the Mando have 4k sets on pre order now! They clearly know there’s an audience so for doctor who, i doubt we need worry, especially as RTD isnt going anywhere and has already said when he steps down again as writer, he will still be a producer so the future is good, just wish the minority of who fans would stop talking for the majority who live in hope and excitement with every announcement we have been getting!
Rex F
October 30th, 2023 - 3:32amAndrew: If Blu-ray was a dying format, then you would have answered your own question.
More then: Disney deliberately moved away from physical media to promote streaming, hence letting catalogue go out of print, no upgrades, pulling out of markets, and no sublicensing (but lots of lay offs). Aside from a few big titles, they were done with physical – so those people weren’t exactly wrong. What we’re seeing now is the new old broom’s attempt to claw back some of the money they’ve been losing, even though Iger was the one who’d been so keen on streaming to begin with. We’re lucky things have worked out this way. (Hopefully they’ll start to sublicense again next.)
I’m Batman
October 26th, 2023 - 11:31amIn vision commentaries? Blimey that hasn’t been done since series 5. I do hope that all future episodes get commentary like series 1-4 did. And would be cool if they had the extra ‘podcast’ commentary which goes alongside the repeat broadcast, at least back in 2006.
Euan Bird
October 26th, 2023 - 11:28amThat 11th December release date is kind of worrying because if they arrive a few days early for some then The Giggle could get leaked
hungduck
October 26th, 2023 - 11:35amThat’d be a giggle
daz
October 26th, 2023 - 11:41amTrue. I imagine this one might have a very strict do not post till 11th request from the bbc although that won’t stop some sites.
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October 26th, 2023 - 12:06pmEarly leaks are inevitable sadly, advanced screenings, press leaks, staff from the show leaks etc etc. The 20th Anniversary was leaked days in advance thanks to the novelisation being accidently put on shelves early.
Chances are, some very lucky minority might get their pre order copy on the Saturday, just stay away from social medias, who groups etc………………I snooze things within 30 days to stop the BBC,fans and media spoiling things.
Thats assuming they maintain the release date and dont move it by 1 week like they have season 1-4 blu ray
Alex Oswin
October 26th, 2023 - 2:35pmThat actually happened with Series 7 and Name of the Doctor. Remarkably the episode didn’t get leaked online, and no one spoiled the John Hurt reveal.
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October 26th, 2023 - 2:45pmI think its not unfair to say that the true fans respect the fanbase enough to not ruin things when they are lucky to get their hands on stuff early